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Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

Puddy_Tat said:
I really wasn't expecting today's verdicts. Was expecting the usual whitewash.
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Yeah it surprised me too.

I hate seeing the videos of the people standing on the pitch. The worst thing is that nobody is panicking. Horrible. I still can't properly get my head around what actually happened, possibly because I don't really remember football matches with fences so I can't imagine it.

I think were saying on the news that after a verdict of unlawful death you can expect a possible criminal prosecution and that that could go two ways, one for culpability for what actually happened on the day and two for more health and safety stuff about the ground itself.
 
I'll end it here today.
Just under the title on that infamous front page..."Thought: Kop of shame"

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All the bellends are still crawling out from under their rocks and always will be. There are people in this world who just can't get their fucking heads around reality. The Truth is out now. That's all that needs to be said. Fuck the sad little cunts who still believe the lies ;)

I sat with a mate last night and shared a bottle of wine and we remembered that day hopefully for the last time with unjust feelings. I knew he'd text me to come over for some time together. We always get together at times like these and we were both shitting ourselves until 11 am today. He gave evidence at the recent inquest. Him and his dad were in the middle of the pens surrounded by the carnage. He tried to take his own life this Christmas on account of having to relive those horrors he's lived with all throughout his adult life at the inquest before christmas. Yes 27 years on and he still can't face what happened. Going over the photographs, reliving your worst nightmares as a teenage lad, trying to tell total strangers what it was like to be there on that day now and it was all to much for him this christmas. Trying to grow up and become a man with that shit in your mind every night and being told it was your fault because some bent fucking copper wouldn't admit they fucked up and a large section of the political elite had it in for the City you came from is fucking wrong. If you want to blame the fans speak to him but polish your fucking armor first.

I've got my own awful memories of that day. The funerals of kids, the empty seats on the bus to games, not knowing what to say to the dads, mums, brothers, sisters, etc when you met them. Tonight though we'll all sleep a little better and now for many of us it's time to move on. The Truth is finally out and Justice is served. I don't give a fuck what happens to Duckenfield et al now to be honest. They've been exposed for the lying cunts that they were and the scum that they will always now be remembered as now. They're finished.

You can have all the fucking opinions you like. If you've had to live with it it though some peoples opinions just sound like a load of pissy waffle to those of us who remember that day so vividly. If you have to ban masons from an inquest based upon the previous behaviour of some of the higher echelons of our society then you have to ask yourself why?? People in power fucked up, they blamed the people they should have been there to protect. They thought they were better than them and they treated them like scum. The scum were...

John Alfred Anderson (62)
Colin Mark Ashcroft (19)
James Gary Aspinall (18)
Kester Roger Marcus Ball (16)
Gerard Bernard Patrick Baron (67)
Simon Bell (17)
Barry Sidney Bennett (26)
David John Benson (22)
David William Birtle (22)
Tony Bland (22)
Paul David Brady (21)
Andrew Mark Brookes (26)
Carl Brown (18)
David Steven Brown (25)
Henry Thomas Burke (47)
Peter Andrew Burkett (24)
Paul William Carlile (19)
Raymond Thomas Chapman (50)
Gary Christopher Church (19)
Joseph Clark (29)
Paul Clark (18)
Gary Collins (22)
Stephen Paul Copoc (20)
Tracey Elizabeth Cox (23) James Philip Delaney (19)
Christopher Barry Devonside (18)
Christopher Edwards (29)
Vincent Michael Fitzsimmons (34)
Thomas Steven Fox (21)
Jon-Paul Gilhooley (10)
Barry Glover (27)
Ian Thomas Glover (20)
Derrick George Godwin (24)
Roy Harry Hamilton (34)
Philip Hammond (14)
Eric Hankin (33)
Gary Harrison (27)
Stephen Francis Harrison (31)
Peter Andrew Harrison (15)
David Hawley (39)
James Robert Hennessy (29)
Paul Anthony Hewitson (26)
Carl Darren Hewitt (17)
Nicholas Michael Hewitt (16)
Sarah Louise Hicks (19)
Victoria Jane Hicks (15)
Gordon Rodney Horn (20)
Arthur Horrocks (41) Thomas Howard (39)
Thomas Anthony Howard (14)
Eric George Hughes (42)
Alan Johnston (29)
Christine Anne Jones (27)
Gary Philip Jones (18)
Richard Jones (25)
Nicholas Peter Joynes (27)
Anthony Peter Kelly (29)
Michael David Kelly (38)
Carl David Lewis (18)
David William Mather (19)
Brian Christopher Mathews (38)
Francis Joseph McAllister (27)
John McBrien (18)
Marion Hazel McCabe (21)
Joseph Daniel McCarthy (21)
Peter McDonnell (21)
Alan McGlone (28)
Keith McGrath (17)
Paul Brian Murray (14)
Lee Nicol (14)
Stephen Francis O'Neill (17)
Jonathon Owens (18) William Roy Pemberton (23)
Carl William Rimmer (21)
David George Rimmer (38)
Graham John Roberts (24)
Steven Joseph Robinson (17)
Henry Charles Rogers (17)
Colin Andrew Hugh William Sefton (23)
Inger Shah (38)
Paula Ann Smith (26)
Adam Edward Spearritt (14)
Philip John Steele (15)
David Leonard Thomas (23)
Patrik John Thompson (35)
Peter Reuben Thompson (30)
Stuart Paul William Thompson (17)
Peter Francis Tootle (21)
Christopher James Traynor (26)
Martin Kevin Traynor (16)
Kevin Tyrrell (15)
Colin Wafer (19)
Ian David Whelan (19)
Martin Kenneth Wild (29)
Kevin Daniel Williams (15)
Graham John Wright (17)

Just ordinary people like you and me going to a football match but on that day they became expendable. We immortalized them, their families took the fight to the same crooks that blamed them. We did overcome.

Most of us stopped talking about it the first time they shafted us but we quietly thought for justice.

Here's an ordinary lad from Runcorn who survived those pens but his life was robbed from him and he was made to feel like it was his fault for 27 years. A fan. a son, a dad and a fucking solid human being.



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Have a good kip tonight Peter Murray.


Today we got Justice for the 96.


See you at my wedding yer big prick and don't fuck me stag night up :D
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Wilf said:
Seeing Jon-Paul's name always gets me. Fucking hell, fucking hell. :( And fuck you South Yorkshire Police and all the other scum who could lie, lie and lie.
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I know. Finn Larden is 10. He's been on the terraces since he was 5. His sister has been there since she was 4. Some people (Especially my Bluenose family) would call that cruelty. We call it family...
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friedaweed said:
All the bellends are still crawling out from under their rocks and always will be. There are people in this world who just can't get their fucking heads around reality. The Truth is out now. That's all that needs to be said. Fuck the sad little cunts who still believe the lies ;)

I sat with a mate last night and shared a bottle of wine and we remembered that day hopefully for the last time with unjust feelings. I knew he'd text me to come over for some time together. We always get together at times like these and we were both shitting ourselves until 11 am today. He gave evidence at the recent inquest. Him and his dad were in the middle of the pens surrounded by the carnage. He tried to take his own life this Christmas on account of having to relive those horrors he's lived with all throughout his adult life at the inquest before christmas. Yes 27 years on and he still can't face what happened. Going over the photographs, reliving your worst nightmares as a teenage lad, trying to tell total strangers what it was like to be there on that day now and it was all to much for him this christmas. Trying to grow up and become a man with that shit in your mind every night and being told it was your fault because some bent fucking copper wouldn't admit they fucked up and a large section of the political elite had it in for the City you came from is fucking wrong. If you want to blame the fans speak to him but polish your fucking armor first.

I've got my own awful memories of that day. The funerals of kids, the empty seats on the bus to games, not knowing what to say to the dads, mums, brothers, sisters, etc when you met them. Tonight though we'll all sleep a little better and now for many of us it's time to move on. The Truth is finally out and Justice is served. I don't give a fuck what happens to Duckenfield et al now to be honest. They've been exposed for the lying cunts that they were and the scum that they will always now be remembered as now. They're finished.

You can have all the fucking opinions you like. If you've had to live with it it though some peoples opinions just sound like a load of pissy waffle to those of us who remember that day so vividly. If you have to ban masons from an inquest based upon the previous behaviour of some of the higher echelons of our society then you have to ask yourself why?? People in power fucked up, they blamed the people they should have been there to protect. They thought they were better than them and they treated them like scum. The scum were...

John Alfred Anderson (62)
Colin Mark Ashcroft (19)
James Gary Aspinall (18)
Kester Roger Marcus Ball (16)
Gerard Bernard Patrick Baron (67)
Simon Bell (17)
Barry Sidney Bennett (26)
David John Benson (22)
David William Birtle (22)
Tony Bland (22)
Paul David Brady (21)
Andrew Mark Brookes (26)
Carl Brown (18)
David Steven Brown (25)
Henry Thomas Burke (47)
Peter Andrew Burkett (24)
Paul William Carlile (19)
Raymond Thomas Chapman (50)
Gary Christopher Church (19)
Joseph Clark (29)
Paul Clark (18)
Gary Collins (22)
Stephen Paul Copoc (20)
Tracey Elizabeth Cox (23) James Philip Delaney (19)
Christopher Barry Devonside (18)
Christopher Edwards (29)
Vincent Michael Fitzsimmons (34)
Thomas Steven Fox (21)
Jon-Paul Gilhooley (10)
Barry Glover (27)
Ian Thomas Glover (20)
Derrick George Godwin (24)
Roy Harry Hamilton (34)
Philip Hammond (14)
Eric Hankin (33)
Gary Harrison (27)
Stephen Francis Harrison (31)
Peter Andrew Harrison (15)
David Hawley (39)
James Robert Hennessy (29)
Paul Anthony Hewitson (26)
Carl Darren Hewitt (17)
Nicholas Michael Hewitt (16)
Sarah Louise Hicks (19)
Victoria Jane Hicks (15)
Gordon Rodney Horn (20)
Arthur Horrocks (41) Thomas Howard (39)
Thomas Anthony Howard (14)
Eric George Hughes (42)
Alan Johnston (29)
Christine Anne Jones (27)
Gary Philip Jones (18)
Richard Jones (25)
Nicholas Peter Joynes (27)
Anthony Peter Kelly (29)
Michael David Kelly (38)
Carl David Lewis (18)
David William Mather (19)
Brian Christopher Mathews (38)
Francis Joseph McAllister (27)
John McBrien (18)
Marion Hazel McCabe (21)
Joseph Daniel McCarthy (21)
Peter McDonnell (21)
Alan McGlone (28)
Keith McGrath (17)
Paul Brian Murray (14)
Lee Nicol (14)
Stephen Francis O'Neill (17)
Jonathon Owens (18) William Roy Pemberton (23)
Carl William Rimmer (21)
David George Rimmer (38)
Graham John Roberts (24)
Steven Joseph Robinson (17)
Henry Charles Rogers (17)
Colin Andrew Hugh William Sefton (23)
Inger Shah (38)
Paula Ann Smith (26)
Adam Edward Spearritt (14)
Philip John Steele (15)
David Leonard Thomas (23)
Patrik John Thompson (35)
Peter Reuben Thompson (30)
Stuart Paul William Thompson (17)
Peter Francis Tootle (21)
Christopher James Traynor (26)
Martin Kevin Traynor (16)
Kevin Tyrrell (15)
Colin Wafer (19)
Ian David Whelan (19)
Martin Kenneth Wild (29)
Kevin Daniel Williams (15)
Graham John Wright (17)

Just ordinary people like you and me going to a football match but on that day they became expendable. We immortalized them, their families took the fight to the same crooks that blamed them. We did overcome.

Most of us stopped talking about it the first time they shafted us but we quietly thought for justice.

Here's an ordinary lad from Runcorn who survived those pens but his life was robbed from him and he was made to feel like it was his fault for 27 years. A fan. a son, a dad and a fucking solid human being.




Have a good kip tonight Peter Murray.


Today we got Justice for the 96.


See you at my wedding yer big prick and don't fuck me stag night up :D
​
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Utterly amazing post. Thank you.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Fuck off, cunt. Fences weren't for "crowd control" purposes to stop pitch invasions, they originally started getting put in way back in the 1960s - before hooliganism - to make matches easier to police - i.e. allow them to be policed with fewer officers - again, not for crowd control purposes, but for the sake of convenience and cost-cutting.
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What rubbish. If that was the case, why were the fences at Millwall topped with spikes (as per TopCats post above?)
 
editor said:
Get the fuck off this thread. I've already warned you.
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No, I won't "get the fuck off this thread".
This is obviously your board. But you pride yourself normally in open, lively debate. Why can you suddenly not take an opposing opinion on something?
 
LeslieB said:
No, I won't "get the fuck off this thread".
This is obviously your board. But you pride yourself normally in open, lively debate. Why can you suddenly not take an opposing opinion on something?
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Why not do as editor suggested? If you want to have a discussion about football hooliganism, start a thread about it, but leave this one.
 
Why the hell has this utter arsehole not been permabanned by now? :mad:

He's breached the clear warnings from editor more than once.

I don't give a stuff about 'just ignore him' and and even less of a stuff about his 'right' to a 'different opinion' when he doesn't even fucking hold it.

He hasn't been anywhere near any of the links all over this thread with the all real information and evidence. He's only here to troll and for no other reason.

The sooner he's gone the better. He could hardly complain if he was banned -- the scumbag's brought it all on himself. Fuck him :mad: :hmm:

And no I don't care if he's enjoying the reaction he's getting either. Getting him banned's more important.
 
Apologies to all Justice campaigners in this thread and elsewhere :oops:

I had to get that off my chest though.

And breathe ... .....:oops:

Full respect to everyone genuine here and everywhere, who knows what the truth is.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Go to a lot of matches in the 70s and 80s? I was a season ticket holder for some years in both decades. That was at West Ham, which had a bad reputation. Thing is, as I'm sure TopCat will also say about Millwall, trouble at the ground was rare - usually hassle from pitch invasions from celebrating home fans - the main trouble was outside the grounds.

Try not too parade your ignorance too hard, you toe-rag.
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The vast vast majority of trouble at the Den was with the police. I was never into scrapping with other fans to be fair. When the police charged into the Cold Blow as was their wont, we all went fucking mental.
 
stethoscope said:
Oh piss off. You know it's not about 'opposing opinion', its about you being a dick. Again.
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This is a current affairs **debating** board and I'm expressing an opinion. Everyone knows the 96 were innocent. Everyone knows there was a cover up. That shouldn't distract attention from the elephant in the room.
 
The police were all about subdgegation. So many of the measures they apply to protesters they honed first on us. They were indiscriminate in their force. Turned many a mild lad into a fierce opponent.
 
One of the worst memories of that day in 89 was the sight of the police hitting supporters on the hands, heads and shoulders, forcing them back into the pens and possibly to their deaths. It was obvious even to them that people were dying in the crush but they could not overcome and ignore their orders to stop a "pitch invasion"

They had no moral compass at all.
 
LeslieB said:
This is a current affairs **debating** board and I'm expressing an opinion. Everyone knows the 96 were innocent. Everyone knows there was a cover up. That shouldn't distract attention from the elephant in the room.
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Pleease! Just give over this thinking you've got some sort of special 'uncomfortable truth' insight to offer any of this, just as with every other thread you've been on since your return where you've had shit posts that totally lack any political, historical, or economic perspective utterly demolished again and again.

You're shit, and you know you are.
 
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