Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[Favelado]

Couldn't you have done it to the copper instead of the horse?

 

[Pickman's model]

It's what Pickman's model says, although the favoured method among us povs was a Marigold smeared with Colman's English Mustard, and then stick a finger up the horse's arse.

Yes, it's cruel to the horse - although it causes no lasting damage.

Yes, it also makes the horse hard to control, and means the mountie and his mount have to withdraw. It's a bit more humane than laying down ball bearings or caltrops.

fortunately, perhaps for all concerned, it is rather harder to insert a mustard covered glove into a copper's arse.

 

[Pickman's model]

Couldn't you have done it to the copper instead of the horse?

there are obstacles like clothes in the way

not to mention most cops on public order duty wear buttplugs to prevent them soiling themselves.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Couldn't you have done it to the copper instead of the horse?

Only at risk of a charge of sexual assault.

 

[billy_bob]

fortunately, perhaps for all concerned, it is rather harder to insert a mustard covered glove into a copper's arse.

That's what makes it all the more worth attempting, and satisfying to achieve.

 

[pesh]

I think I caught a face full of the grit that was going around last night while watching the news.
So glad the lies are being put to bed and the families of the 96 are finally getting justice.

 

[butchersapron]

Good piece here that outlines why every myth the idiots parrot has now been demolished. Eleanor Barlow has done great work over the last few years.

The Hillsborough myths exposed by the inquests as a tissue of lies

 

[Favelado]

Is this really happening? It's all too good to be true.

 

[billy_bob]

Is this really happening? It's all too good to be true.

I know what you mean - I watched a lot of news coverage last night feeling as angry as ever at the lies and smears people have had to live with, but also almost in tears hearing Margaret Aspinall and others speak - of disbelief that it's finally come to this.

 

[butchersapron]

BBC News not mentioning how key they were in spreading the lies in the hours and days after the disaster. It wasn't all The Sun you know.

John Moston was saying live on air that the fans broke the gate and 'caused' the deaths at 3.13. Duckenfield's lie was supposed to have take place at 3.15.

 

[Wilf]

Sorry if this is a derail, but conspiraloons should think about Hillsborough. It was a 'conspiracy', with state coordination, coordination with the press, an attempt to use all the tools in their bag. It worked because of that coordination, because of carefully nurtured stereotypes, because of process and because they hold all the cards. No fucking lizards, no mind control, just the unrelenting use of mundane power to cover up the killing of 96 people. And just the same, it was finally beaten by people seeking the truth out, but not 'truthseekers'. No arcane knowledge, no special access - it was a truth that people who were there on the day knew from the very start. Massive role for investigative journalists and people like Burnham, but most of all it was just the families refusing to give in.

 

[Pickman's model]

Sorry if this is a derail, but conspiraloons should think about Hillsborough. It was a 'conspiracy', with state coordination, coordination with the press, an attempt to use all the tools in their bag. It worked because of that coordination, because of carefully nurtured stereotypes, because of process and because they hold all the cards. No fucking lizards, no mind control, just the unrelenting use of mundane power to cover up the killing of 96 people. And just the same, it was finally beaten by people seeking the truth out, but not 'truthseekers'. No arcane knowledge, no special access - it was a truth that people who were there on the day knew from the very start. Massive role for investigative journalists and people like Burnham, but most of all it was just the families refusing to give in.

yeh but precisely because it was a conspiracy it has no interest for the 'loons

 

[editor]

Fucking hell. Every time a Hillsborough story comes on the TV that's focussing on the people and the families involved, I end up a blubbering wreck. Their fight for justice has been amazing.

 

[belboid]

David Crompton - SYP chief Constable - suspended

 

[butchersapron]

Reel them in.

 

[gawkrodger]

Obv. not his greatest fan, but this is good from Andy Burnham

Here's Andy Burnham's emotional Hillsborough speech to MPs in full

 

[danny la rouge]

David Crompton - SYP chief Constable - suspended

South Yorkshire police chief suspended over Hillsborough verdict

 

[Pickman's model]

South Yorkshire police chief suspended over Hillsborough verdict

tbh it's too little too late

 

[butchersapron]

Obv. not his greatest fan, but this is good from Andy Burnham

Here's Andy Burnham's emotional Hillsborough speech to MPs in full

Connects it to orgreave. Good lad.

 

[butchersapron]

He makes a great point about funding.

 

[steveo87]

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[Voley]

Is this really happening? It's all too good to be true.

Real sense of disbelief here, too, mate. I never believed we'd get this. Not in my wildest dreams. Right up to hearing that the jury had made their decision quickly I was thinking 'Here we go. Another fucking whitewash, then'. But they got it totally right.

Prosecutions now, please. And serious time for anyone involved in the cover-up.

 

[chilango]

If the News of the World can get shut down then frankly The Sun should too.

 

[nino_savatte]

Kelvin Mckensie is upset with the police for the briefing they gave him back then. Apparently he is at risk in Liverpool and has been vilified for decades poor lamb.

Diddums. Poor wee cunt.

 

[Pickman's model]

If the News of the World can get shut down then frankly The Sun should too.

but only after all the journalists have been defenestrated save one, from whose entrails rupert murdoch is hanged.

 

[Voley]

Obv. not his greatest fan, but this is good from Andy Burnham

Here's Andy Burnham's emotional Hillsborough speech to MPs in full

Great speech. I'm not his biggest fan, either, but he's been really helpful in this. He took it on the chin when he got shouted down at Anfield 7 years ago and reacted in the best way he could.

 

[Pickman's model]

Great speech. I'm not his biggest fan, either, but he's been really helpful in this. He took it on the chin when he got shouted down at Anfield 7 years ago and reacted in the best way he could.

yeh it's a game of two halves and in the second the boy done good

 

[butchersapron]

Watch the fall out as they blame each other.

 

[treelover]

Just noticed at the vigil they are using the Banner with the 96 Cups with the names of the lost on, made at the time at my Arts Management Training Centre, it became a sort of shrine.

 

[gawkrodger]

predictably, the turn out to the vigil event in Liverpool looks very well attended