Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.
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elbows
Well-Known Member
And this even more recently:
Hillsborough: Families want 'remedial measures' for South Yorkshire Police - BBC News
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Yes the entire high command everyone above inspector needs to be gone syp is a small club those not directly guilty are guilty of lack of moral courage.
They knew the cover up was going on and said nothing.
Leadership invovles courage and honour doing the right thing on a bad day syp failed on both of those counts the rank and file may have an excuse the leadership none.
They knew the cover up was going on and said nothing.
Leadership invovles courage and honour doing the right thing on a bad day syp failed on both of those counts the rank and file may have an excuse the leadership none.
If I'd seen any of that day-of-the-disaster footage back then, I have no real memory of it now 
Just watched it all now though.
No words
Just watched it all now though.
No words
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Thatcher taught leadership cadres everywhere that the essence of leadership was adeptness at passing the buck and the blame - something most police forces have taken to heart, from top to bottom.
As for disbanding the SYP, the rot goes much deeper. The upper echelons of every police "service" in the UK have long been filled with managerialists - people who know all about "metrics" and "co-production", but fuck-all about communication, internal discipline or honour.
Every time I read this thread, I'm reminded of the film "Red Riding-'73", and the toast the coppers give at the wedding of one of them's daughter. "The North, where we do what we want". A brutal but accurate summary of the behaviour of way too many members of SYP.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I watched it again on Tuesday for some stupid reason.If I'd seen any of that day-of-the-disaster footage back then, I have no real memory of it now
Just watched it all now though.
No words
Dunno why as it's imprinted on my memory as I saw it unfold on the telly when I was 16, just rooted to the spot in horror.
I remember seeing the Bradford fire on tely too, and Heisel. Dunno why my parents didn't stop us watching as all were horrific, but especially the Bradford fire, which gave me nightmares. I know they show footage of the Bradford fire in safety training to show just how quickly fire can spread.
Bedgewick3
Well-Known Member
This must be wrong. Nobody in LIverpool was motivated by the possibility of compensation. It was a matter of principle
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Are you making a sarcastic suggestion that the families of the victims were, in fact, only ever after financial gain for themselves?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh, i note that you have previously called the demand for Justice a campaign for Revenge. You sound great and really worth bothering with.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
I'm sorry you're so unhappy and this is how you make yourself feel better Bedgewick3 .
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Almost as if he were a recently banned poster back again
teqniq
DisMembered
Fuck off.
(For the benefit of any passing readers who've not been paying attention: many histories record that bringing a civil suit is often the only way to provoke actual justice.)
YouSir
Retired from Urban
So 27 years of campaigning, 27 years of their lives, being lied to and about, being marginalized and dismissed all a cunning ruse for a payout?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The scousers are cunning like that [/bedgewick3]
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
You and me both.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
IMO it's beautiful because it shows us that "fellow-feeling" that the ability to sympathise and empathise generates - a trait that promotes solidarities, and therefore something that some of our rulers would prefer didn't exist.
Did anyone see the Swansea v Liverpool coverage today?
Full respect was shown
Full respect was shown
Fuck knows what I waa smoking/drinking at the time
, but I remember the Bradford fire live footage a whole lot better than I remember the on-the-day Hillsborough footage.All these years after, I really wish I'd picked up on what was going on in Sheffield.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
I have been reading and re-reading material related to Hillsborough today and something caught my attention.
Firstly, this page makes reference to two near-misses post Hillsborough. One at Exeter City and another at Old Trafford.
British Football Disasters
One of them appears shockingly similar in some respects and I found a Guardian article on it.
Crush to judgement
The other is an apparent incident involving lights failing at Old Trafford, perhaps leading to panic and a crush. I can't find anything that gives more information on it. Do any Urban posters know of this occurrence?
Firstly, this page makes reference to two near-misses post Hillsborough. One at Exeter City and another at Old Trafford.
British Football Disasters
One of them appears shockingly similar in some respects and I found a Guardian article on it.
Crush to judgement
The other is an apparent incident involving lights failing at Old Trafford, perhaps leading to panic and a crush. I can't find anything that gives more information on it. Do any Urban posters know of this occurrence?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Revealed: The links between Hillsborough and South Yorkshire Police’s 1984 Orgreave ‘cover-up’
Calls for a new inquiry into the 1984 Battle of Orgreave were growing tonight after previously censored documents revealed links between an alleged cover-up carried out by senior South Yorkshire Police officers at the time and the force’s actions five years later at Hillsborough.
Redacted sections of a watchdog’s report into clashes between police and striking miners reveal that the same senior officers and solicitor were involved both in the aftermath of Orgreave and of Britain’s worst sporting disaster in 1989.
Sections of the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) dossier, seen exclusively by , reveal that these officials became aware South Yorkshire Police officers had perjured themselves at the miners’ trial in 1984, but kept this fact secret.
Another officer interviewed about the alleged Hillsborough cover-up by South Yorkshire Police claimed that some of his colleagues were told by unspecified officers not to write anything in their notebooks at the time of Orgreave and then instructed to do the same in the aftermath of the 1989 disaster.
Calls for a new inquiry into the 1984 Battle of Orgreave were growing tonight after previously censored documents revealed links between an alleged cover-up carried out by senior South Yorkshire Police officers at the time and the force’s actions five years later at Hillsborough.
Redacted sections of a watchdog’s report into clashes between police and striking miners reveal that the same senior officers and solicitor were involved both in the aftermath of Orgreave and of Britain’s worst sporting disaster in 1989.
Sections of the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) dossier, seen exclusively by , reveal that these officials became aware South Yorkshire Police officers had perjured themselves at the miners’ trial in 1984, but kept this fact secret.
Another officer interviewed about the alleged Hillsborough cover-up by South Yorkshire Police claimed that some of his colleagues were told by unspecified officers not to write anything in their notebooks at the time of Orgreave and then instructed to do the same in the aftermath of the 1989 disaster.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
was watching a beeb docu earlier on the matter and it left out so much. So so much that we know. But there was a copper on it giving his testimony, talking about the notebooks etc but he wasn't all there, not 'on point' he was at times clearly struggling. God damn them for making me feel a shred of sympathy. You've had your 27 years, those others haven't and never will. And again and again I keep wanting there to be a grander reason. A conspiracy maybe, a reason that goes beyond arse covering and treating people like cattle. But thats pretty much all it was. For that...
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