Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[butchersapron]

Roy Evans kid left his job rather than sells S*N shite.

 

[ddraig]

well done that man!

 

[teqniq]

Fair play.

 

[purenarcotic]

Good man.

 

[chandlerp]

Duckenfield is giving evidence today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-31802716

He starts by saying he didn't have any experience of planning for football matches and probably wasn't the best choice to be in charge.

He's given a load of meetings on crowd control that he is listed in the minutes as attending. Meetings which dealt with the very issues which were present at Hillsborough on that day.

He says he can't remember attending any of them.

 

[butchersapron]

Very important point made yesterday - Duckenfield and his legal advisors are on the lookout for any social media based comments that they can use to argue prejudices any future action against them - so be careful out there folks.

 

[butchersapron]

He's started his i was the real victim defence - placed in a position i wasn't best suited to by my evil bosses. It'll look like an admission and so a victory but is actually a part of what will be his later defence.

The match commander on the day of the Hillsborough disaster has admitted he was "not the best man for the job".

Former chief superintendent David Duckenfield told the Hillsborough inquests jury he had "limited experience" of planning for football matches prior to the day of the disaster on 15 April, 1989.

 

[Voley]

Yep, it's easy to see his openlng comments as looking hopeful but they're pure damage limitation.

The optimist in me hopes that he must know he's on the ropes, though, to have admitted that much.

 

[laptop]

Yep, it's easy to see his openlng comments as looking hopeful but they're pure damage limitation.

How far has Hollywood culture spread? That is, will he offer to go into rehab to atone for his sins?

 

[ViolentPanda]

How far has Hollywood culture spread? That is, will he offer to go into rehab to atone for his sins?

If he really wants to display humility and pretend to atone for his sins, shouldn't he at least be offered the option of crucifixion?

 

[butchersapron]

Live reporting on Duckenfield here today - he seems either genuinely all over the shop or taking part in a strategy to appear so.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-31821211

The match commander on the day of the Hillsborough disaster has admitted lying about fans forcing an exit gate open to enter the ground.

Families of the 96 supporters who died gasped as David Duckenfield told the inquests: "It was a grave mistake and I apologise profusely."

He said: "Everybody knew the truth, the fans and police knew the truth that we'd opened the gates."

Mr Duckenfield, 70, said he would regret it "to his dying day".

Blimey, wasn't expecting that.

 

[butchersapron]

Part of the play - placed in position is wasn't ready for by evil superiors, i'm the real victim, my burden at guilt for decades...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

May explain how it happened to a large degree. Doesn't explain why he chose to take a very active part in the cover-up...

 

[butchersapron]

From the excellent echo coverage (Eleanor Barlow and others have done brilliant work here):

The coroner asks if he lied because he thought his instruction to open the gate had caused what had happened.

Mr Duckenfield says no.

He says: "I think in a crisis, and probably in this shock and in stress, I said something I deeply regret."

He says: "I'm a very honest person. I don't tell lies. I don't mislead.

"I set very, very high standards, not only in myself, but my colleagues in the service and my family.

"No one, but no one can understand my behaviour that day - least of all me."

 

[butchersapron]

This was the friendly side btw, the family lawyers are on him tmw.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Ta

 

[sojourner]

Gobsmacked at his admitting the lie!

 

[laptop]

I'm racking my brains to remember what was odd about Duckett's appointment. I've searched the thread.

He was brought in after the experienced superior was involved in a "prank" - a fake firearms incident.

But was there something else?

 

[Fedayn]

From the excellent echo coverage (Eleanor Barlow and others have done brilliant work here):

The coroner asks if he lied because he thought his instruction to open the gate had caused what had happened.

Mr Duckenfield says no.

He says: "I think in a crisis, and probably in this shock and in stress, I said something I deeply regret."

He says: "I'm a very honest person. I don't tell lies. I don't mislead.

"I set very, very high standards, not only in myself, but my colleagues in the service and my family.

"No one, but no one can understand my behaviour that day - least of all me."

So, not long after he admits he lied over the order to open the gate he claims he's very honest and doesn't tell lies.... Okaaayyyy......

 

[Louis MacNeice]

What has he be given/protected from to carry the can?

Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

What has he be given/protected from to carry the can?

Louis MacNeice

...or who.

I can see the emerging defence - i was not qualified i was placed here by those above. Those above saying we had inadequate information and a limited time frame in which to act, with the info available this was the best choice etc. Which leaves those whose job it is to monitor internal staff performance/expectations of roles etc

 

[tommers]

Still getting "liverpool fans need to admit that trying to get in without tickets caused the crush".

I'm struggling to think of what needs to happen before people change this.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

...or who.

I can see the emerging defence - i was not qualified i was placed here by those above. Those above saying we had inadequate information and a limited time frame in which to act, with the info available this was the best choice etc. Which leaves those whose job it is to monitor internal staff performance/expectations of roles etc

Yep it certainly comes across as a sacrificial exercise designed to protect the actual movers and shakers of the SYP and beyond.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

Amazing reading the reporting of Duckenfield's testrimony today - crystal clear on things favourable to him, can't recall on everything else. He's also rowed back to saying that he lied by omission today rather than just lying.

 

[butchersapron]

He's turning all kantian:

Mr Duckenfield accepts there may be an inconsistency in what he said today and what he said at the inquiry.

He says: "I think in life people don't lie, people don't mislead, but over a period there can be inconsistencies which are quite genuine, just because of space and time."

 

[tommers]

People don't lie.

Great attitude for a policeman.

 

[laptop]

He's turning all kantian:

^^^^ Not a lie.

 

[TopCat]

What prompted the admission of lying about the gate order?

 

[butchersapron]

What prompted the admission of lying about the gate order?

Self-preservation and pre-planned strategy.