Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.
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Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
That's the deal; I lied but I'm not responsible. I hope it was worth it...if it could ever be.
Louis MacNeice
butchersapron
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Note here, he can refuse to answer any questions in this inquiry that he feels may potentially incriminate him. So what he does answer is what he and his legal team (i think we're paying for that btw) think can be helpful to him - immediately and as regards later prosecution. Note whose questioning brought out the admission of lying to kelly. It wasn't he families lawyers.
butchersapron
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Mapped all out from his fist move yeserday...classic stuff. Fucking hell.
That not answering thing is very handy to him.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Not to mention that it had already been released into the public arena....
butchersapron
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Menon has def got some coppers prepared to call Duckenfield a liar over a range of issues. Just read those questions, he's got some stuff lined up behind it.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Thanks for the updates and insight ba; just read his shite that's he's been spouting today, what a fucking cunt.
butchersapron
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Cue the music - Mike Mansfield's turn at Duckenfield.
butchersapron
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Unbelievably, Duckenfield is today putting the blame back on the liverpool fans for his many incompetencies failings and fatal behaviour as none of them would have happened if, as he claims, the liverpool fans hadn't turned up late drunk and ticketless.
butchersapron
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He seems all over the shop today, maybe it's mansfield or the cumulative pressure but i think he's going (or being taken) very far off piste here. His sneering arrogance is still there though - suggesting that "with hindsight and the opportunity to reflect, we possibly could have done better." - that a dig right there at the families. Meaning: Possibly could have done better but you know, these people - and you - were they worth the effort? Are you?
butchersapron
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I think i better stop there bearing in mind the warnings from the families side about commenting on his evidence.
butchersapron
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Mansfield finished, adjourned for weekend - long quote coming as really needs to be read in full:
Mr Duckenfield accepts he didn't use the opportunity of the Taylor inquiry to make the "full and frank concessions" he made to this jury.
He accepts he didn't use the opportunity of the last inquests.
He says he wasn't invited to participate in the Stuart Smith scrutiny.
Mr Mansfield says: "Over the years that followed - that's from 1989 right up until these inquests..."
John Beggs, representing Mr Duckenfield, stands to object.
Mr Mansfield continues: "You chose to remain silent about all of those matters you have told this jury."
Mr Duckenfield says: "I didn't trust the press to put forward my thoughts or anybody else with the truth and honesty that I wanted."
He adds: "When the panel report was published, I hid myself away and could not bear the word Hillsborough and could not bear to think about it.
"I hope you understand this: I hoped it would go away.
"But then two years ago, I had to force myself to look at matters and, as a result, I could only do so with the assistance of dcotors."
He adds: "I dug my head in the sand, didn't admit things to myself, but I am now very much older, very much wiser, and very much more understanding of the events of the day and have decided to tell the whole truth."
Mr Mansfield suggests he has known the whole truth from the beginning
Mr Duckenfield says: "On the day, I was traumatised and, like many things in life, you only remember the good days, and sometimes sadly and unfortunately, you bury the bad. As far as I'm concerned, I buried the bad to survive."
Mr Mansfield says: "What about the families? Did you think about them?"
Mr Duckenfield says: "Sir, it is now that I have thought very seriously about the families.
"I've seen a video of late, a very distressing video, and for the first time, I have seen what it means to a mother to lose a loved one, to lose a loved one, not only in these tragic circumstances, but to have to say their goodbyes so unexpectedly, in a gymnasium, on a dirty floor, cuddling that person tearfully, and you can't share with that person your grief, your sorrow and your sadness."
Mr Duckenfield says: "To the families, I say this, I am terribly sorry. It has now dawned on me what it means to you, and I am dreadfully sorry."
Mr Duckenfield accepts he didn't use the opportunity of the Taylor inquiry to make the "full and frank concessions" he made to this jury.
He accepts he didn't use the opportunity of the last inquests.
He says he wasn't invited to participate in the Stuart Smith scrutiny.
Mr Mansfield says: "Over the years that followed - that's from 1989 right up until these inquests..."
John Beggs, representing Mr Duckenfield, stands to object.
Mr Mansfield continues: "You chose to remain silent about all of those matters you have told this jury."
Mr Duckenfield says: "I didn't trust the press to put forward my thoughts or anybody else with the truth and honesty that I wanted."
He adds: "When the panel report was published, I hid myself away and could not bear the word Hillsborough and could not bear to think about it.
"I hope you understand this: I hoped it would go away.
"But then two years ago, I had to force myself to look at matters and, as a result, I could only do so with the assistance of dcotors."
He adds: "I dug my head in the sand, didn't admit things to myself, but I am now very much older, very much wiser, and very much more understanding of the events of the day and have decided to tell the whole truth."
Mr Mansfield suggests he has known the whole truth from the beginning
Mr Duckenfield says: "On the day, I was traumatised and, like many things in life, you only remember the good days, and sometimes sadly and unfortunately, you bury the bad. As far as I'm concerned, I buried the bad to survive."
Mr Mansfield says: "What about the families? Did you think about them?"
Mr Duckenfield says: "Sir, it is now that I have thought very seriously about the families.
"I've seen a video of late, a very distressing video, and for the first time, I have seen what it means to a mother to lose a loved one, to lose a loved one, not only in these tragic circumstances, but to have to say their goodbyes so unexpectedly, in a gymnasium, on a dirty floor, cuddling that person tearfully, and you can't share with that person your grief, your sorrow and your sadness."
Mr Duckenfield says: "To the families, I say this, I am terribly sorry. It has now dawned on me what it means to you, and I am dreadfully sorry."
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
I don't disagree. I just think that was genuine. Doesn't mean he should be forgiven or not have to deal with the choices he made. Or anything else.
butchersapron
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Eleanor Barlow still doing great work following the inquiry live, her live reporting today is here -Duckenfield on his 7th day now.Here's her summary of yesterday:
- Mr Duckenfield accepted that he “froze” after ordering exit gates to be opened
- Admitting his failings caused the deaths of 96 people was the “most difficult” time of Mr Duckenfield's life
- The match commander told the inquests he was drinking whisky in the mornings in the lead up to the public inquiry into the disaste
butchersapron
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I fucking knew duckenfield would make sure someone else paid.
South Yorkshire Police get £10.7m for Hillsborough costs
South Yorkshire Police get £10.7m for Hillsborough costs
worcesterian
Member
It amounts to an average of over 1 million per officer. All that at a time when legal aid for so many types of case has been slashed or no longer available. Is it really needed to hire lawyers and teams that cost that much. They are not on trial;. Its an Inquest
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Bettison at the inquiry today to call Barry a liar. What an odious fucker.
butchersapron
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Via Neil Wilby - @Neil_Wilby
teqniq
DisMembered
Well it would be nice if it came out of their benevolent fund or whatever it is. But this is always the trouble with cases which involve the state or agents thereof, the public we always pay for their defence, even though it could quite reasonably argued that it is not in the public interest to do so.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Interesting story in this week's Liverpool Echo quoting Andy Burnham MP saying that Blair blocked an inquiry to preserve his servile relationship to the Murdoch press.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/tony-blair-not-order-hillsborough-9658130
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