Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[Wilf]

What about the Sheffield News agency, Whites, probably gone now, but what about its personnel?

... or not:
http://www.sheffield.org.uk/info/16137/

In fact they are getting their wriggles in already:
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-09-12/sheffield-news-agency-shocked-by-sun-hillsborough-story/

 

[laptop]

What about the Sheffield News agency, Whites, probably gone now, but what about its personnel?

Exists, and is blaming the sources & the Sun:

“In common with many other journalists, reporters from this agency spoke to the then Sheffield Hallam MP Irvine Patnick. A senior reporter, who has since died, and with long standing police connections, also spoke to senior officers.

“As result, as a responsible and reputable agency, we did report the allegations to all the national newspapers and media outlets.

“The agency had no control over how the allegations were presented and were shocked by the way the story was presented by the Sun. Other newspapers reported the allegations in a different way.

“We welcome the publication of all documents relating to the Hillsborough tragedy and hope it brings some measure of closure for those affected. We have no further comment to make.”

Is also attracting unfavourable reviews on business listings websites.

 

[treelover]

Surprised it still exists,

btw, Patnick's brother had a shop near that address...

 

[laptop]

Exists, and is blaming the sources & the Sun:

And, from the above, Kelvin is blaming them as well as the MP and ossifers:

Said Kelvin: “Twenty three ago I was handed a piece of copy from a reputable news agency in Sheffield in which a senior police officer and a senior local MP were making serious allegations against fans in the stadium.

“I had absolutely no reason to believe that these authority figures would lie and deceive over such a disaster...

 

[Wilf]

And, from the above, Kelvin is blaming them as well as the MP and ossifers:

The rats in a sack community would like to distance themselves from these scum.

 

[JimW]

This thing about Bettison 'considering his position' - he's known what he did all along and kept it quiet and prospered so fuck waiting, sack him and sue him.

 

[ViolentPanda]

This thing about Bettison 'considering his position' - he's known what he did all along and kept it quiet and prospered so fuck waiting, sack him and sue him.

Then strip him of all assets he's gained since 1989.

 

[nino_savatte]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10434714

Apparently Jeremy Hunt also made the claim about Hillsborough being caused by 'hooliganism'

[writes] Adds another offence to Jezza's form sheet.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Amazing.

Neil Wallis - at News International from 1986-1998 and 2003-2007, including stints as Sun Deputy Editor and NOTW gaffer - says Cameron should initiate a "Leveson Inquiry, with all the same powers His Lordship has used against the press for the last year, to expose publically HOW [Hillsborough] was able to happen."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/neil-wallis/hillsborough-david-cameron-leveson_b_1879876.html

(In case you had forgotten, Wallis was arrested in Operation Weeting.)

 

[dennisr]

Hillsborough and Battle of Orgreave: one police force, two disgraces
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/12/hillsborough-battle-orgreave

 

[treelover]

Hillsborough and Battle of Orgreave: one police force, two disgraces
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/12/hillsborough-battle-orgreave

I was waiting for an article like this...

 

[Citizen66]

This would have been a good day to have had detective boy here.

 

[dennisr]

I was waiting for an article like this...

Indeed - Only ever heard the hardest truth in the left press previously. I think this article deserves a plug as well (but the guardian one says it better):

Hillsborough - eventually, the truth
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/15235/13-09-2012/hillsborough-eventually-the-truth

The brutal anti-working class culture of the South Yorkshire police force which played a leading and pernicious role in crushing the miners in their struggle to defend their jobs and communities was laid bare by this report.

Michael Mansfield QC, who assisted the families, clearly identified the link. The police authorities revelled in an atmosphere of impunity which flowed from the anti-working class outlook of the then Thatcher government.

Liverpool was also the city where the Militant-led socialist council in the mid-1980s had resisted the attacks of the Thatcher government by mobilising the support thousands of working class people. By falsely accusing Liverpool football fans as being drunken hooligans, the ruling classes also intended to denigrate the city's tradition of militant struggle.

 

[audiotech]

Why am I still reading opinions from people (on 38degrees facebook thread) saying it was the fans fault?

The past lies like a nightmare upon the present.

Marx.

 

[Wilf]

This would have been a good day to have had detective boy here.

The Englans selectors are probably in a similar quandry over Kevin Pieterson.

 

[butchersapron]

Royal and Sun Alliance refused to release all relevant documentary material to the Panel.

In accessing for disclosure the significant amount of information not previously in the public domain, contributing organisations were asked to waive any entitlement to confidentiality and legal professional privilege. All public sector organisations approached by the Panel allowed unrestricted access to their documents and other material. The Panel is able to commend their response. In contrast, one private sector organisation, the Royal Sun Alliance Insurance Company (which was the insurer for Sheffield Wednesday Football Club in 1989) refused to waive its entitlement to privilege, thus denying the Panel access to its material. Strenuous efforts were made to persuade the company to allow the Panel confidential access to the relevant material, but it maintained its refusal. This is a matter of considerable regret to the Panel.

But see also:

The Liverpool Law Society was the only other organisation that considered itself unable to provide unrestricted access to all the material it held for the Hillsborough Solicitors' Group Steering Committee. Legal advice provided to the Law Society and to the Panel confirmed that the legal professional privilege which was said to attach to some of the material was not theirs to waive, and despite considerable efforts the Panel was unable to assist them to find a way round the obstacle. The Law Society did however provide access to and arrange for the disclosure of other material held by them to which such privilege did not apply.

Which is going to have a direct relevance to the future fight for justice - for why see here:

1. Hillsborough Steering Committee Of Solicitors

The swiftness with which the steering group of solicitors was set up is potentially indicative of one of two things. Either there was a genuine desire on the part of the legal system to assist the bereaved and survivors or it was felt that there was the need to organise at a legal level and control potential litigation. Given the long term consequences of the legal representation then it is obvious that the latter was the case.

The Steering Committee was conceived on the Sunday morning following the Disaster when a Home Office Representative came to Liverpool and met with members of the Law Society. What subsequently followed amounts to the most perverse example of 'ambulance chasing'. In some cases bereaved families were visited almost immediately after the Disaster by a leading city solicitor who offered them his condolences and signed them up. The insidious nature of this behaviour cannot be underestimated. For many families, it was only when they received a letter several weeks from the solicitor did they then recall the initial visit and what had happened. As one Mother said: "Someone just put something in front of me and said 'sign'. I didn't know what I was doing and I didn't care. All I wanted was my son back". Of course those involved in the setting up of the Steering Committee would argue that by centralising everything they were trying to minimise distress. A lot of families would disagree.

 

[Teaboy]

Why am I still reading opinions from people (on 38degrees facebook thread) saying it was the fans fault?

Of course this is the success of the smear campaign and it'll never go away but it doesnt matter anymore, they can say what they like - we know what happened and its indisputable. They can argue that black is white and the sun goes around moon as well if they like, it won't make any difference,

 

[Lock&Light]

This would have been a good day to have had detective boy here.

That's why it is not a good idea to drive those who think differently from these boards.

 

[belboid]

Royal and Sun Alliance refused to release all relevant documentary material to the Panel.

in 1989, the RSA was still two companies, with one half, Royal Insuarance, actually covering Hillsborough. And where were the Royal very proudly based? In the Liver Building, of course.

 

[Voley]

SYP consider IPCC Referral

Is that all? Ffs.

 

[Citizen66]

That's why it is not a good idea to drive those who think differently from these boards.

I think you misunderstood my point. It would be a good day to watch him squirm under inachievable apologism.

For the record though, he wasn't driven from the boards. His repeated poor behaviour earned him a permaban. If he was driven away, he'd have been back.

 

[Zabo]

I think Jack Straw should be investigated to for his 'review'. I see he's been on a fair few media outlets today blaming Thatcher and her pals.... I think his own behaviour is worth looking at frankly the buck passing Pinochet rimming cuntshovel

Oh yes indeed including his denials on Extraordinary Rendition - kidnapping and torture to give it its proper name. And let's no forget the thousands of new laws brought in by him and his mate Tony. Cunts all.

"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." Tacitus.

 

[butchersapron]

Event this saturday.

 

[Teaboy]

SYP consider IPCC Referral

Is that all? Ffs.

Horse, bolted, door, lock.

ETA: They are at it again, trying to regain the intiative - note they are only considering it, its still up to them. Fuck em, its in the domain now.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Every apology coming out tries to pass the buck.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's why it is not a good idea to drive those who think differently from these boards.

detective-boy should have thought twice before threatening legal action against all and sundry.

 

[Citizen66]

detective-boy should have thought twice before threatening legal action against all and sundry.

Did he do that? i just remember cunt collective and cunts and have I mentioned you're all cunts yet you cunt?

 

[Pickman's model]

Did he do that? i just remember cunt collective and cunts and have I mentioned you're all cunts yet you cunt?

yes he did

 

[Citizen66]

He's in good company then. Quite a few have done that over the years.

 

[Lock&Light]

............For the record though, he wasn't driven from the boards. His repeated poor behaviour earned him a permaban. If he was driven away, he'd have been back.

His "poor behaviour" was totally provoked in order to drive him away.