Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
also i don't suppose many syp like/d scousers then.
Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.
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Hollis
bloody furious
Yes - but equally well, you might expect in the Police force, where they were meant to be upholding the law and good practice, that they would have above average practices and safeguards to ensure that cases where this wasn't happened could be identified and reported.
I mean I'm not naive enough to suppose that this would have happened. I'm just pointing out another failure of the institution.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Just as it still is in many other walks of life, both in the public and private sector (of which this case, featured in the latest Eye is the most shameful).
audiotech
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
You've got to be quite something though to see the grieving families, see the memorial services over the years and do - nothing. I don't underestimate the difficulties of whistle blowing and it probably got hard to say anything after keeping quiet for years. However when it got to the point where any person half acquainted with the case knew that the South Yorkshire police had lied, there was an opening for someone to speak out. Psychologically, maybe when they apporached retirement, one of them might have realised they'd have felt better by speaking out. The gratitude they would have got from the families would have been worth it. It's now a bit like meeting St Peter at the Pearly Gate - a bit fucking late for repentance.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
No it's not. As long as you blow on the right colleagues. Plenty of coppers did alright out of investigating other coppers - Grieve, Yates, Jarratt, Gaspar, Moore, Clark etc.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
...I'd have been happier if they never got to publish a front page again.
Treacle Toes
Time
I see they managed to sneak in an exclusive about 'royal babies' at the top there and their apology comes third in the bullet points.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
A good day to bury bad news...
Hollis
bloody furious
Just as vetting to join the police force is higher than other jobs, so I'd expect given what they do procedures for safeguarding whistleblowers to be higher. Even in places I've worked we're had procedures in place designed to safeguard whistleblowers. I wonder what procedures the police have in place now.
Callie
Pivoting
No. Fuck them, everyone that can should tell of the bare faced lies the media and police have told us. Through their teeth. Through the bones and grief of the dead. I hope they havent lived with it I hope they rot to the core.
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
Treacle Toes
Time
They are clearly hoping people will turn to page 7 first to read all about more blue bloods. Everything about that front page tells me that.
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
the scum would be better off just not putting a paper out tomorrow. Tat would show more respect and apology than that front page
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Let's not forget that Ingham's fingerprints are on this too.
Will catch up on as much of all this as I can (offline) today and over the w/e -- will be away from here for the time being. But major congratulations to everyone in Liverpool and elsewhere (including on here) who's been keeping this campaign going over all these years. At last, persistance pays off -- and finally, some sort of result!
Oh yes and ....
Fuck the Sun and their fucking lies, scumbags
Oh yes and ....
Fuck the Sun and their fucking lies, scumbags
*Miss Daisy*
Suck a Big Hairy....
The report also revealed that 16 cops traumatised by what they saw received £1.5million in compensation.
The families of the victims are yet to receive a penny.
Read more:http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4535553/Hillsborough-116-statements-by-PCs-altered-to-lose-criticism-of-cops.html#ixzz26KoMQl5n
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I didn't know gary o'shea wrote for the sun
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Oddly enough, I was thinking about this as I watching the report. Mind you, you could take this back further to the 1911 General Transport Strike, when the police, supported by troops, opened fire on unarmed Liverpool civilians. There was even a warship anchored in the Mersey
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I'd noticed that. Even their bloggers are eerily silent about it. Just the usual batshit about Europe, immigration and warmongering.
teqniq
DisMembered
That's got to be a really special kind of ostrich logic.
Treacle Toes
Time
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Crime never rises in recessions does it? Or when police numbers are cut?
Nah. Must be the funny-coloured people.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Just got in from the Vigil at St Georges Hall.
Under the cloud of lies and attempts at turning the blame on the fans that so closely followed the disaster no former memorial has ever felt like a real one, for me anyway. For years i've attended the services at Anfield and whist we were always there to pay our respects to our fallen brothers and sisters there has always been a bitter taste in the back of your throat knowing that whilst you stood there a lot of people still believed the lies. People still questioned the families search for Justice. We didn't, we always knew the truth but we knew attempts had been made to write history in the form of bodged inquests, dishonest tabloid headlines, flawed Judicial enquiries, rumours of blame in those that had to live with surviving the event and doubt in the minds of a lot of the nation spun from the stereotyping of a whole city based upon the wrongdoings of a few. I've heard it all over the years. "Scousers were always forcing the gates open at grounds" "What about Heysel?" "Why don't you just let it go?" "There's been an Inquiry is that not enough now?" "It's like a blind man in a dark room looking for a cat that isn't there".
Tonight was very different. In some ways it felt like the first proper memorial because we all stood side by side in solidarity in the knowledge that the truth was finally out. I stood next to a man who was just as big as me, just as ugly and just as old as me, who like me was there with his kids. Looking into each others waterlogged eyes and smiling we shook hands. There was no need to speak. No need to exchange stories of how our own individual lives had been changed by the 15th of April 1989 you never have to explain that. Generally you know if you're there at such an occasion everyone has their story. People have asked me over the years "Did you know anyone who died at Hillsborough?" I've always given the same answer. Everyone I knew when I was 20 years old knew someone that had died at Hillsborough. I've always dealt with my grief quite privately. For ten years after the event I couldn't even bare going to the match let alone talk about the disaster. My best mate still can't stand/sit on a terrace at a football match and was even too upset today to attend tonight's Vigil.
To be the sibling, wife, husband, father, mother, grandparent, grandchild, cousin, friend, workmate of someone who either died or survived on that day has been a like having to live a life with a little ever constant niggle in your head. That niggle has always been that you know history's account of those events is wrong.
Today for many of us that niggle has been proven to be just and at last there's some vindication in your heart for not erasing that niggle from your mind and forcing yourself to live with it for 23 years.
I took my two youngest children tonight. I've never talked to them about my own personal experiences of Hillsborough. I don't really talk to anyone about that. I have though brought them up as reds (Much to my own bluenose families dislike) and explained why we have the eternal flame on our crest and they have both been with me to the match and visited the memorial before the game. I've explained to them why we sing "Justice for the 96" on the Kop and why as a Red they are part of one big family of Liverpool fans.
I took them tonight though, not because I wanted them to experience the night as a fan but because I wanted them to learn that if something is wrong you should never give up on putting it right. As we were coming through the tunnel on the way home my 13 year old daughter made me choke when she said.
"It's a good job they never gave up Dad"
Job done.
As a fellow urbanite I ask you to look at the pictures of the 96 on the following link.
They weren't ticketless drunken fans. They weren't hubcap robbing scum. They weren't the people who forced their way into games, they weren't responsible for Heysel, they were 96 individuals that went to a football match to support a football team and never came home.
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/history/hillsborough
I was there as well. A very emotional day and night. I was glad to be there with the people I love.
Your report was spot on, in fact it was brilliant.
JF96
shaman75
Well-Known Member
All this stuff has got me thinking. We're talking institutional practices here. The techniques used by Police and the Authorities post-Hillsborough are still on display today.
Look at how they managed the Ian Tomlinson death. Within hours, unnamed Police sources are claiming their efforts to help were hampered by an angry mob throwing bottles and then The Sun run a story about how he is an alcoholic and witnesses claim he was hanging around looking for trouble. The Police then appoint the most inept Coroner they can find. Does anyone think the Hillsborough aftermath was an isolated example of a cover-up?
Tried and tested methods that have succeeded over and over, thanks to Govt support. The only reason they got rumbled over Tomlinson was because someone filmed the incident itself. Fortunately they gave the footage to The Guardian rather than the Police!
Look at how they managed the Ian Tomlinson death. Within hours, unnamed Police sources are claiming their efforts to help were hampered by an angry mob throwing bottles and then The Sun run a story about how he is an alcoholic and witnesses claim he was hanging around looking for trouble. The Police then appoint the most inept Coroner they can find. Does anyone think the Hillsborough aftermath was an isolated example of a cover-up?
Tried and tested methods that have succeeded over and over, thanks to Govt support. The only reason they got rumbled over Tomlinson was because someone filmed the incident itself. Fortunately they gave the footage to The Guardian rather than the Police!
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