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"Healthcare" in the US

Funny, isn't it, how in a country with a healthcare system which almost actively drives the notion of "mercy killing" (and still executes criminals), the attitudes towards voluntary autoeuthanasia are so negative. It's almost as if THEY want to decide when you get to die, not you.

Now our gun suicide rates start to make sense. I know a number of people who have blown their brains out rather than go to a nursing home. I'm not certain its a bad plan when you factor in the costs involved and the prevalence of abuse.
 
While I don't generally buy into conspiracy theories, I do believe that if you looked at the investments of most people in power, you would find large investments into military contractors, gun manufacturers, and pharmaceuticals. I'd also add private prisons to that list. If you're going to dump as many guns as possible, while peddling opiates like candy, you're going to have a glowing private prison sector. I don't think its a conspiracy. You would have to be organized to run a conspiracy. I think they've just made some very cynical bets motivated by greed.
Unfortunately the observation that there's a system that encourages making a cash cow out of pretty much all of us from cradle to grave, with multiple parts contributing at all stages, and it doesn't even need conscious conspiracy to do it because that's just the way it's set up and naturally works, isn't _dramatic_ enough for modern politics apparently. Except for all those commie kids reading Marx and stuff.
 
Unfortunately the observation that there's a system that encourages making a cash cow out of pretty much all of us from cradle to grave, with multiple parts contributing at all stages, and it doesn't even need conscious conspiracy to do it because that's just the way it's set up and naturally works, isn't _dramatic_ enough for modern politics apparently. Except for all those commie kids reading Marx and stuff.

Never underestimate the power of greed and massive indifference.
 
I cannot imagine living somewhere without the NHS.

For the last two days I've had an increasing dental pain. This morning I decided I had to see a dentist. I rang and was given an immediate appointment. 15 mins later I'm at my local NHS dentist, 15 mins after that I'm on the way to the chemist with a prescription for antibiotics.

The cost? £22 :)

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Last night I found out one of my friends got into a serious car accident in July in the US, broken back, broken shoulder, ribs, traumatic brain injury. He's on the way to a full recovery but can't fly back to the UK for a while yet. Fortunately he's on his wife's insurance and everything is covered as best I can tell, but for a sickening minute I thought he'd be in real financial trouble or not looked after, but thankfully he's covered.
 
Last night I found out one of my friends got into a serious car accident in July in the US, broken back, broken shoulder, ribs, traumatic brain injury. He's on the way to a full recovery but can't fly back to the UK for a while yet. Fortunately he's on his wife's insurance and everything is covered as best I can tell, but for a sickening minute I thought he'd be in real financial trouble or not looked after, but thankfully he's covered.

I hope your friend recovers soon. You've just described the uncertainty of dealing with the system. One accident or illness could potentially wipe you out. It add to the stress of an already stressful event.
 
I hope your friend recovers soon. You've just described the uncertainty of dealing with the system. One accident or illness could potentially wipe you out. It add to the stress of an already stressful event.
He's doing OK, he's out of hospital but not fit to fly yet. He's not long married so it was incredibly lucky he was on his wife's insurance already.
 
Now our gun suicide rates start to make sense. I know a number of people who have blown their brains out rather than go to a nursing home. I'm not certain its a bad plan when you factor in the costs involved and the prevalence of abuse.

Sadly, it is harder to obtain guns in the UK.
 
I cannot imagine living somewhere without the NHS.

For the last two days I've had an increasing dental pain. This morning I decided I had to see a dentist. I rang and was given an immediate appointment. 15 mins later I'm at my local NHS dentist, 15 mins after that I'm on the way to the chemist with a prescription for antibiotics.

The cost? £22 :)

:oldthumbsup: :oldthumbsup: :beer:
I had serious gum disease which required a lengthy series of operations to remove bits of my mouth, over a year or so (I won't go into details further than that as people might be eating) which I got done at Guys dental department. Total cost £0. Had my last wisdom teeth out at the same time as they were getting in the way.
 
I just got another one. It makes the third in two weeks.

The robotcall keeps wanting me to buy health insurance.
I know it is American because they go on about open enrollment.

Canada does not have an open enrollment time.

grrrrrr
 
The cost of family health coverage in the U.S. now tops $20,000, an annual survey of employers found, a record high that has pushed an increasing number of American workers into plans that cover less or cost more, or force them out of the insurance market entirely.

“It’s as much as buying a basic economy car,” said Drew Altman, chief executive officer of the Kaiser Family Foundation, “but buying it every year.” The nonprofit health research group conducts the yearly survey of coverage that people get through work, the main source of insurance in the U.S. for people under age 65.

While employers pay most of the costs of coverage, according to the survey, workers’ average contribution is now $6,000 for a family plan. That’s just their share of upfront premiums, and doesn’t include co-payments, deductibles and other forms of cost-sharing once they need care.

Between how much I pay and how much my boss pays, I wouldn't be surprised if that is the average cost at all.

The seemingly inexorable rise of costs has led to deep frustration with U.S. health care, prompting questions about whether a system where coverage is tied to a job can survive.

It really shouldn't survive. It's a bad to tie a worker's access to health care to their job. If you can't work, often your healthcare goes away. This happened to a friend of mine and it delayed his cancer treatment long past when it should have started. By the time it did, it was too late.

When my brother was sick, the hospice nurse went to his employer and shamed him into continuing his insurance. Otherwise, he'd have been cut off when he need it most.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
 
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Die in agony in a hellhole, being fiddled with and having cigarettes put out on you then*, if that's your bag.

* - blatantly untrue - they'd never allow smoking in these places
Not my bag either. I've seen what happened to my mum in a home. Now way I'm going through that myself. Especially as adult care is only going to get worse. :(
 
The algorithm in question, Impact Pro, identifies which patients would benefit from complex health procedures favored treating white patients than sicker black ones between 2013 and 2015, according to a study published in the prestigious journal Science.

New York lawmakers deemed the use of this discriminatory technology "unlawful," and asked to either demonstrate the algorithm is not biased or to stop using Impact Pro immediately.

"New York will not allow racial bias, especially where it results in discriminatory effects that could mean the difference between life and death for an individual patient and the overall health of an already-underserved community," Linda Lacewell, superintendent of New York's department of financial services, and Howard Zucker, commissioner of the department of health, wrote in the letter.

New York is investigating UnitedHealth's use of a medical algorithm that steered black patients away from getting higher-quality care

I had this insurance for about two years. They denied every claim I made. Every single claim. I was able to get them to cover some of it by writing a letter each time they denied a claim. I'm thinking used this algorithm in more places than New York.
 
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The new debtor's prison:

Across the country, thousands of people are jailed each year for failing to appear in court for unpaid bills, in arrangements set up much like this one. The practice spread in the wake of the recession as collectors found judges willing to use their broad powers of contempt to wield the threat of arrest. Judges have issued warrants for people who owe money to landlords and payday lenders, who never paid off furniture, or day care fees, or federal student loans. Some debtors who have been arrested owed as little as $28.

More than half of the debt in collections stems from medical care, which, unlike most other debt, is often taken on without a choice or an understanding of the costs. Since the Affordable Care Act of 2010, prices for medical services have ballooned; insurers have nearly tripled deductibles — the amount a person pays before their coverage kicks in — and raised premiums and copays, as well. As a result, tens of millions of people without adequate coverage are expected to pay larger portions of their rising bills.

The sickest patients are often the most indebted, and they’re not exempt from arrest. In Indiana, a cancer patient was hauled away from home in her pajamas in front of her three children; too weak to climb the stairs to the women’s area of the jail, she spent the night in a men’s mental health unit where an inmate smeared feces on the wall. In Utah, a man who had ignored orders to appear over an unpaid ambulance bill told friends he would rather die than go to jail; the day he was arrested, he snuck poison into the cell and ended his life.

When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested
 
Life expectancy at birth -- the average length of time that you are expected to live -- continues to drop for Americans, a new study finds. Drug overdoses, suicides, alcohol-related illnesses and obesity are largely to blame. These problems have been building since the 1980s, according to the study's authors.

The U.S. had been making steady progress. Life expectancy increased by nearly 10 years over the last half century -- from 69.9 years in 1959, to 78.9 years in 2016.

But the pace of this increase slowed over time, while other high income countries continued to show a steady rise in life expectancy.

After 2010, U.S. life expectancy plateaued and in 2014 it began reversing, dropping for three consecutive years -- from 78.9 years in 2014, to 78.6 in 2017. This is despite the U.S. spending the most on health care per capita than any other country in the world.

New study shows US life expectancy is still on the decline
 
Stalled a bit in the UK too if I remember the coverage about this.

I'm not surprised. Any time the conservatives take control, the average lifespan starts to drop and deaths from despair increase. In the US, that was starting to happen before Trump took over, but we were seeing a lot of conservative governorships and control of Congress that refused to fund improvements in access to healthcare.
 
I thought I was beyond the ability to be shocked any more and then I ran into this:

According to data from Comtrade, a project of the United Nations Statistics Division, human and animal blood exports for medical purposes made up 2.3 percent of the country's export value in 2017 (the most recent year data has been made available). A total of $28.6 billion was made in that year from blood exports. .... A forecast from Market Research Engine has that number rising to $44 billion by 2024.

The United States is a major exporter of blood plasma, the straw-colored liquid that makes up the majority of the blood's volume. Extracts from that fluid is used for numerous medical purposes--including immunoglobulins to fight infection, and albumin that is used to repair burns....

Blood and plasma are collected disproportionately from the country's poorest communities. According to a study published in the American Journal of Public Health, donation clinics are five to eight times more likely to be located in census tracts designated as high-risk.

Many countries have banned paying individuals for donations of blood plasma. Of the approximately 1,000 plasma donation centers around the world, 700 are in the United States. The country also has fewer restrictions on how often people can donate, maxing out at twice per week....

Apparently blood companies don't just target low-income U.S. citizens. In October, ProPublica released an investigation that revealed thousands of Mexicans are crossing the southern border on temporary visas to sell their plasma.

The report revealed the existence of at least 43 donation centers along the border. Employees at five of them provided estimates that 60 percent to 90 percent of their donors were Mexican citizens on temporary visas, many of whom used donating plasma in the United States as their only source of income.

2% of U.S. export income comes from selling blood

When I think about it, I probably shouldn't be surprised. I've known a lot of people who made rent by donating plasma.
 
Really????
This is his solution to high drug prices???

Trump plan lets states import Canadian drugs

The Trump administration Wednesday opened the door for states to import drugs from Canada, advancing a key part of its remaining agenda to save Americans money on pharmaceuticals.

The draft rule lays out how states, wholesalers and pharmacies could import certain medicines from Canada, giving the White House a proposal to tout to voters less than a week after House Democrats passed their own, sweeping drug pricing reform plan.
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Though drugmakers have blasted the importation idea and Canadian officials warn it would cause drug shortages in their country, Trump has made it a cornerstone of his promise to lower high drug costs as other proposals have faltered. The issue does not cleanly fall along party lines, but it is typically more popular with Democrats than Republicans.

I wonder if Canada will just say no.

But it will likely be years before states can actually implement importation plans. The administration's draft rule will need to go through public comment. Then states will have to draft plans that comply with the rule, and Azar said imported drugs will need to bear new FDA-approved drug labels and go through safety testing. All these requirements could prove prohibitive for possible importers.

OK, then. They will not be starting any time soon.
 
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