Handforth Parish Council meeting - hilarious zoom video

[DaveCinzano]

Who decides the things they decide then? Just the main city council?

The powers are laid out in the 1997 Local Government and Rating Act and the 2007 Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Act (which reversed the ban on parish-level councils within London in the 1963 London Government Act). The gist seems to be ‘get a petition going to show local interest’, and build from there.

Here you go:

Background « Create a Council

web.archive.org

^ That website was published by Jackie Weaver's HYDRA-like organisation NALC

 

[mx wcfc]

Did nobody else watch The Last Leg tonight? Jackie was brilliant.

There's going to be a TV series made out of this. It's going to be called......

The Bicker of Dibley.

 

[moochedit]

Do they have parish councils in cities or just the country?

I don't think they are very commen in urban areas. In coventry where i live there are 2 or 3 areas with parish councils but most of the city only has the city council. Doesn't make sense really as the equivalent sized area to a rural parish in a city has a bigger population.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I don't think they are very commen in urban areas. In coventry where i live there are 2 or 3 areas with parish councils but most of the city only has the city council. Doesn't make sense really as the equivalent sized area to a rural parish in a city has a bigger population.

you can also get town councils in small towns that are like parish councils - local to me, there's a wokingham district council (that does the usual second tier council things - as well as first tier things since we don't have a county council any more) but there's also a wokingham town council, so there's two mayors of wokingham...

not sure about places outside london, but the current london boroughs do have their roots in the parish 'vestries' that got turned in to boroughs some time in the 19th century, although the current london boroughs are the result of (broadly speaking) boroughs being merged in the 1960s (lambeth is unusual in that it merged the old lambeth borough with the streatham bit of wandsworth, the rest of wandsworth merged with battersea borough.)

there can be a feeling in london that the boroughs are too big / remote, or that they favour one bit of the borough and neglect others (e.g. lewisham and deptford)

some london councils have tried to formalise more local things - tower hamlets tried it at one stage with 'neighbourhoods' and delegating some decision making down to the councillors in each patch, but if i remember right they dropped the idea like a sack of shite when one area elected a BNP (or was it NF then?) councillor and a few others got close.

lewisham have in recent-ish years started doing 'local assembly' meetings in each council ward, and think that a modest amount of funding for local projects is delegated to that level for decision making.

 

[Badgers]

 

[Winot]

God bless the internet.

 

[Shechemite]

Is aled the dad or his wanker son?

 

[Winot]

 

[Shechemite]

Bastard MSM

 

[cybershot]

Do they have parish councils in cities or just the country?

making the grand assumption it’s a village thing where there’s a church.

there’s one in the village I just moved too.

the Facebook group is currently debating the amount of adverts that should be allowed in the group as its starting push valid village discussion down the page.

the most common complaint is people not picking up dog poo.

 

[Dom Traynor]

making the grand assumption it’s a village thing where there’s a church.

there’s one in the village I just moved too.

the Facebook group is currently debating the amount of adverts that should be allowed in the group as its starting push valid village discussion down the page.

the most common complaint is people not picking up dog poo.

Civil parishes are not the same thing as Church parishes.

 

[Johnny Doe]

I think there's a few urban75 threads that would benefit from a re-enactment in the style of a zoom call perhaps with some Handforth PC members playing the key parts.

WHY DON'T PEOPLE IN THEIR 30S JOIN SOCIAL GROUPS/PARISH COUNCILS?!!???

 

[existentialist]

All the petty squabbling kind of reminds me of many posters on this website.

How fortunate we are, then, to have titans like your good self to point out our deficiencies and serve as a shining example of how to behave. We are truly blessed.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I don't get why this is so funny or why the internet is losing its shit over it

It's just some boomers being pathetic in an online meeting

sorry

 

[cupid_stunt]

Another Sea Shanty.

 

[krink]

This is another good one, it's three fucking hours long but I gather goes to shit early on and ends with the Soviet National Anthem.

I only came to post the same link as this is a classic slow burner of the genre. Some of us have been into online council meeting anger-core for ages. All you Jackie Weaver bandwagon jumping posers need to educate yourselves.
This has some vintage aggressive mute button hijacking and pc speaker feedback loops that are transcendental. The adjournment middle 8th would make Ornetter Coleman weep.

 

[cyril_smear]

How fortunate we are, then, to have titans like your good self to point out our deficiencies and serve as a shining example of how to behave. We are truly blessed.

Ya welcome.

 

[danny la rouge]

Do they have parish councils in cities or just the country?

I don’t know. In Scotland we have community councils instead, which operate in rural and urban areas. I assume they are the equivalent.

 

[ska invita]

"interesting" thread and comments here about council reform, particularly to make it more inclusive - would be interested in peoples thoughts if any



in theory id love to see more swiss-style, active democracy at all levels, though in the UK material conditions mean you end up with " a certain type of person" inevitably rising to the top.

 

[platinumsage]

Another Sea Shanty.

Indie and Anglican chant:

 

[redsquirrel]

"interesting" thread and comments here about council reform, particularly to make it more inclusive - would be interested in peoples thoughts if any

in theory id love to see more swiss-style, active democracy at all levels, though in the UK material conditions mean you end up with " a certain type of person" inevitably rising to the top.

Making it a full time job would not make things more democratic. It would make it a even more enclosed than such positions are now.

What needs to change is the nature of work, reducing hours and allowing people the time to get involved in workplace and community democracy. And really embedding democracy in the workplace and community consistently.

 

[cupid_stunt]

 

[LDC]

Making it a full time job would not make things more democratic. It would make it a even more enclosed than such positions are now.

What needs to change is the nature of work, reducing hours and allowing people the time to get involved in workplace and community democracy. And really embedding democracy in the workplace and community consistently.

And whatever system of 'local democracy' (or whatever) is overlaid on the way things are run more generally is always going to be fucked anyway.

 

[danny la rouge]

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Making it a full time job would not make things more democratic. It would make it a even more enclosed than such positions are now.

What needs to change is the nature of work, reducing hours and allowing people the time to get involved in workplace and community democracy. And really embedding democracy in the workplace and community consistently.

Exactly.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Take the quiz...

Quiz: Ok, so which member of the Handforth Parish Council are you really?

I'm Julie's iPad

thetab.com

Apparently I am...
Jackie aka Britney Spears
Queen of the nation, queen of our hearts, you are quite simply an icon who does have the authority.

 

[ska invita]

And whatever system of 'local democracy' (or whatever) is overlaid on the way things are run more generally is always going to be fucked anyway.

its like you dont even care about local toilet facilities

 

[platinumsage]

It seems that most councils are run by their chief executive and permanent officers, and councillors simply act as a complaints department. None of them around here actually make any substantive decisions which aren't simply endorsements of officer recommendations, and if any of them have any ideas for new policies, they presumably get swiftly told not to waste their time.

 

[danny la rouge]

It seems that most councils are run by their chief executive and permanent officers, and councillors simply act as a complaints department. None of them around here actually make any substantive decisions which aren't simply endorsements of officer recommendations, and if any of them have any ideas for new policies, they presumably get swiftly told not to waste their time.

That’s councils, which are different from parish and community councils.

 

[platinumsage]

That’s councils, which are different from parish and community councils.

We don't have either of those things, not sure that they're necessary tbh.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Making it a full time job would not make things more democratic. It would make it a even more enclosed than such positions are now.

What needs to change is the nature of work, reducing hours and allowing people the time to get involved in workplace and community democracy. And really embedding democracy in the workplace and community consistently.

The fundamental problem with any sort of governance is the sort of people who usually want to be involved are inevitably the very last ones you actually want to be running anything