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Griffin and BNP strategy

The39thStep said:
Fantastic. Two for the price of one : the return of Sid Williamson and the return of Sid Williamson on a blog that shares with us the plight of Wigan Mike and chronicles Sid's long and illustrious contribution to nationalism

http://thewhitewayhome.blogspot.com/2011/03/brief-history-of-my-time-in-nationalist.html
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Ah, Saltdean Sid. Who else has had the honour of weeing upon the same chair that Moseley himself once owned? As for his teary-eyed reminiscences, very entertaining reading if you keep in mind how many "comrades" have put the boot into him (and on at least one occassion literally) over the years - just have a look (if you can bear it) on the fash forums, or on the old Red Action forum. And as for the Saltdean One raving about paedophiles, isn't this the same man who Brighton Plod (allegedly, your Honour) had chats with regarding indecent images of children on his computer?....With Eddy Morrison on his own blog whingeing on about planet Zog and gays (and writing some truly atrocious "poetry"), which other ageing member of the Munich Wave Society is going to grace us with their words of wisdom on the blogosphere?
 
Jeez, that whitewayhome guy needs an editor. Pretty offensive stuff to put stonehenge as his picture too. What is it with white nationalists that they seem to think things would be so much better if only we were all more like them, which is to say (generally) useless arrogant hate filled bellends?

Anyway, here's a Graun article about the BNP going slowly down the pan. For those abreast of the issues the most remarkable thing about it is the similarity to the Indie piece a few days before.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/22/bnp-faces-local-election-meltdown
 
I expect they were both much more directly from the searchlight camp. I said two weeks ago that Matthew Taylor would be 'writing' stuff like that before the elections and bang on cue...
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Anyway, here's a Graun article about the BNP going slowly down the pan. For those abreast of the issues the most remarkable thing about it is the similarity to the Indie piece a few days before.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/22/bnp-faces-local-election-meltdown
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Trying to pretend that Griffin is under more pressure know, after seeing of the leadership challenge, besting ECHR in the courts, (with BNP costs paid by the tax payer)and clearing out the Augean stables, smacks of desperation. With a fresh raft of immigration expected from easter Europe in the real world liberal anti-fascists are the ones who have run out of ideas. Presenting UKIP as the 'good fascists' has been tried and failed. It has zero resonance in wc areas.

Professor Godwin also rather gives the game away when he claims that the fault for the BNP blip is entirely self inflicted. 'It's all Griffin's fault' and so forth. If true what does that tell us of the efficacy of liberal anti-fascism? And what of the untold millions spunked since 2002 to no avail?
 
Joe Reilly said:
Trying to pretend that Griffin is under more pressure know, after seeing of the leadership challenge, besting ECHR in the courts, (with BNP costs paid by the tax payer)and clearing out the Augean stables, smacks of desperation. With a fresh raft of immigration expected from easter Europe in the real world liberal anti-fascists are the ones who have run out of ideas. Presenting UKIP as the 'good fascists' has been tried and failed. It has zero resonance in wc areas.

Professor Godwin also rather gives the game away when he claims that the fault for the BNP blip is entirely self inflicted. 'It's all Griffin's fault' and so forth. If true what does that tell us of the efficacy of liberal anti-fascism? And what of the untold millions spunked since 2002 to no avail?
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I'm the first to admit to not being an expert, and I accept that cheering on the demise of the BNP is very premature. But 'seeing off the leadership challenge' by purges and (with a system that makes challenges rock hard anyway) is only really sweeping things under the carpet at best. I assume alot of resentment will be festering. From the outside the big drop in candidate numbers is surely a bad sign no? (even factoring what Butchers said about the amount of ex BNP standing)

For me the fate of the BNP still stands of falls mainly on the 2014 Euro results. They are far too hard to be predict in any case, and d'hondt makes it harder still.
 
^^^Touche! (innit :))

Anyway - yep, Searchlight are it again (sorry boys and girls) -"exclusive" here: http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1187/a-dog-of-a-day-for-the-bnp

I'll leave you all to get through the blather to find out if any "facts" are actually there - the dread hand of Matthew Collins/Taylor/whatever he's called this week is present and correct - and by the way Searchlight, the BNP's yoof leader lives in Milton Keynes, according to your last report, not Yorkshire - make yer frigging minds up (and er, he's BNP not English Democrats! Christ, even a thicko like me can spot these howlers).

Now my "glutton for punishment" moment - Searchlight have done yet another "expose" on far-right terrorism - I've d/l'ed it, and for my sins, am gonna slog through it....if they even begin to mention Column 88 again, expect to see a low-flying laptop in the SW8 region...

As for the BNP local elections, well, looks like they've played a low-key one in Wales and Scotland, but have got out their press, had meetings etc - it'll be interesting to see how they poll here. As I mentioned before (on this thread?), since the late 80's, the BNP has seen Scotland as fertile ground. Indeed, John Tyndall made many efforts to develop Scotland BNP during his leadership (the Scot Loyalist connection), and Griffin, whether we like it or not, has bedded down roots in Wales for a long time. I'd be interested to hear from any northern England Urbans as to what the word on the street is re. the BNP's campaigns are there - the heartlands will be the places to watch come election time. If they can get some good results here (and time and again they've proved they can poll 20%+ in local election wards - imagine if a "left" party did that on a regular basis!), then it'll secure Griffin's leadership (good for his short term, at least), and more importantly, give them the impetus to carry on their local work - developing connections, relying less on paper candidates and more on active-in-the-community ones...interesting times ahead in BNP Land, that's for sure....
 
MellySingsDoom said:
and by the way Searchlight, the BNP's yoof leader lives in Milton Keynes, according to your last report, not Yorkshire - make yer frigging minds up (and er, he's BNP not English Democrats! Christ, even a thicko like me can spot these howlers).
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Far be it from me to defend Searchlight but I think they're saying the Youth Leader was out canvessing for the English Democrats, in Yorkshire (entirely possible given the number of defections towards them) not that he lives in Yorkshire or getting confused between rightwing parties.
 
^^^Spanky Longhorn - just re-read the article after what you said, and, er, ahem, er....(yer right) - though what Mr Milton Keynes is doing for the Eng Dems is a tad odd - is he on waffling terms with Chris "NPD are sound" Beverley? Imagine Grifffin's position -the Boy Collett is booted out by, er, Griffin (bye bye Young BNP), and then replaced by MK bloke (who was poached from the NF), and now he's now working for the "civic nationalists"of the Eng Dems. Eeh, it's all mixed up, like.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
I'm the first to admit to not being an expert, and I accept that cheering on the demise of the BNP is very premature. But 'seeing off the leadership challenge' by purges and (with a system that makes challenges rock hard anyway) is only really sweeping things under the carpet at best. I assume alot of resentment will be festering. From the outside the big drop in candidate numbers is surely a bad sign no? (even factoring what Butchers said about the amount of ex BNP standing)

For me the fate of the BNP still stands of falls mainly on the 2014 Euro results. They are far too hard to be predict in any case, and d'hondt makes it harder still.
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Griffin's take on the purges was that many of those purged were working against the BNP, in line with a state agenda. Simple as that. Griffin remember, was a member of the NF in the '70's and watched, and some would say was even party to, the organisation splintering in all directions. Hindsight is invaluable. So while the label provocateur might not have been true in all cases, but it's a reasonable assumption that those dictating the anti-Griffin strategy were operating outside of the party.

And as Griffin never tired of pointing out the latest 'scandal' in relation to the supposed duplicity of the leadership invariably appeared on anti-fascist sites first. That is to say, anti-fascist sites and organisations dedicated to maintaining the political status quo - at all costs. In cheering on the demise of the BNP they are also cheering on the M15 operatives working within it. Do we think for a minute that a succesful far-left party would not be subject to a similar offensive from the same quarter? But what the cheering also obscures is that old school anti-fascism hasn't arguably laid a significant hand on the BNP since the mid 1990's.

So what happens, to 'anti-fascism', if state security decides on a change of strategy, or as some suspect, may have already used up all their key assets in the failed attemt to behead the BNP? This is not to say that the BNP has not been damaged. Of course they have. What organisation wouldn't be?

Indeed it may take them a further 18 months to fully recover momentum. The moratorium on immigrants accessing benefits from the get go will soon be lifted, which may herald another visible wave, which will automatically cause the entire far-right to rise on the same tide. Coupled with the anticipated impact of the cuts, was that the reason for the timing of the in-fighting within the BNP? A pre-emptive strike? Moreover a pre-emptive strike from organisations fast running out of ideas? The liberal argument on immigration is already lost -with some surveys putting the opposition at near 90 per cent. Accordingly aross Europe national leaders like Sarkosy, Berlusconi, Cameron are all fast adopting far-right rhetoric. It isn't necessary to be a historian to see precedents? Expect to live, as an old Chinese proverb puts it "in interesting times."
 
Joe Reilly - Sound analysis, by and large, paras 2 & 3 hit the target in particular. I'd only quibble slightly with your comments re. Sarkozy and Berlusconi - Mr Bruni has been playing with the racist lot in France for many years - remember the Sangatte farrago between us and France, where Sarkozy basically said "Get rid of these immigrants to the UK, they're not welcome here"? And Berlusconi has been more than happy to cohabit with racist and fascist parties in his various coalitions over the years, and allowed them to influence immigration policy and rhetoric for a long while - first anti-Albanian (post-Kosovo war), then anti-African, and then anti-Romany. As for Disco Dave, he's simply following in the footsteps already laid by Blunkett, Hodge, Brown et al - "New" Labour have a hell of a lot to answer for too on this front.

And here's a thing - tonight Richard Edmonds has decided to challenge Griffin for leadership of the BNP - it's been confirmed by reliable (ie non-Searchlight) sources. The question is, why challenge now, with important elections coming up in a week's time? Hardly conducive to party unity, for starters. What is Edmonds motivation, I wonder? Theories: He's been "turned" by the State; he's embittered about being sidelined in the BNP; he's been influenced by disaffected ex-members/current members to stand; he genuinely believes he is the true voice of the BNP.....two things stand out to me: the BNP's constitution currently makes it very difficult for any challenger to stand, and even if they do, Griffin still holds enough clout in the party to win any election. And more damningly for Edmonds, if anyone in the BNP can be called an unreformed fascist, it's him. Number 2 to John Tyndall in the 80's and 90's, and a virulent racist and anti-Semite (arguably the UK's no.1 Holocaust denier), Edmonds is a throwback to the times where the BNP were the "party of power", using violence as a weapon. He may well carry affection with some rank-and-filers, but him being a leader? He'd make the BNP as popular as current-day NF. To me, his challenge will fail, no question, and he'll end up being expelled. So again, I ask the question, why now?
 
MellySingsDoom said:
Joe Reilly - Sound analysis, by and large, paras 2 & 3 hit the target in particular. I'd only quibble slightly with your comments re. Sarkozy and Berlusconi - Mr Bruni has been playing with the racist lot in France for many years - remember the Sangatte farrago between us and France, where Sarkozy basically said "Get rid of these immigrants to the UK, they're not welcome here"? And Berlusconi has been more than happy to cohabit with racist and fascist parties in his various coalitions over the years, and allowed them to influence immigration policy and rhetoric for a long while - first anti-Albanian (post-Kosovo war), then anti-African, and then anti-Romany. As for Disco Dave, he's simply following in the footsteps already laid by Blunkett, Hodge, Brown et al - "New" Labour have a hell of a lot to answer for too on this front.

And here's a thing - tonight Richard Edmonds has decided to challenge Griffin for leadership of the BNP - it's been confirmed by reliable (ie non-Searchlight) sources. The question is, why challenge now, with important elections coming up in a week's time? Hardly conducive to party unity, for starters. What is Edmonds motivation, I wonder? Theories: He's been "turned" by the State; he's embittered about being sidelined in the BNP; he's been influenced by disaffected ex-members/current members to stand; he genuinely believes he is the true voice of the BNP.....two things stand out to me: the BNP's constitution currently makes it very difficult for any challenger to stand, and even if they do, Griffin still holds enough clout in the party to win any election. And more damningly for Edmonds, if anyone in the BNP can be called an unreformed fascist, it's him. Number 2 to John Tyndall in the 80's and 90's, and a virulent racist and anti-Semite (arguably the UK's no.1 Holocaust denier), Edmonds is a throwback to the times where the BNP were the "party of power", using violence as a weapon. He may well carry affection with some rank-and-filers, but him being a leader? He'd make the BNP as popular as current-day NF. To me, his challenge will fail, no question, and he'll end up being expelled. So again, I ask the question, why now?
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The likely answer is in para 2 of Joe's post.
 
The39thStep said:
The likely answer is in para 2 of Joe's post.
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A likely possibility indeed - goes with my "'turned' by State" musings I suppose. There may well be also the thing that Edmonds resents Griffin for the way his Kamerad Tyndall was booted out of a party that was truly his own creation and baby., and also for Griffin "watering down" the BNP's old uncompromising hardline position to turn them into a party that actually became an attractive propostion to your average man and woman on the street, and not just the hardcore racists/true believers.
 
8 men and 4 women standing as BNP candidates in my area today. I'll be watching closely, they have had some momentum in this part of the world for some years now, so I'll be interested to see if failures by the candidate or two who previously got elected, and national financial troubles etc make a noticeable difference.
 
No BNP candidate for the first time in Wrexham in a long time, a decade at least. But they are on the regional list, they'd need around 10% to get a regional list seat. They didn't come far off last time.
 
Griffin at the Swansea count.

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