Griffin and BNP strategy
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The39thStep
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Does it? Or is actually organising locally addressing the political needs of the working class communities an alternative worth thinking about.
The39thStep
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Probably had acne as kids
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Tyndall looks red in the face to me. The speaker was probably referring to Jews at the time and boy did Tyndall hate Jews.
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The master race don't do acne.
The Black Hand
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You mean in that non effective nationally, impotent and completely marginal manner in a handful of areas?
U R soooo worthy, not.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You mean in that non effective nationally, impotent and completely marginal manner in a handful of areas?
U R soooo worthy, not.
So you don't think building an autonomous local political alternative to the BNP is the best way to beat them?
The Black Hand
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The Black Hand
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Here is the content of a post I have lifted from;
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/03/448107.html?c=on#c245345
I don't agree with it all, and i do not see why you should have to. BUt there is an interesting comment on here I have put in bold.
"extreme workerist groups like Class War and AFA veterans from Red Action and the IWCA. You've got to admire people who've got the bottle to physically take-on Fascists, but, in terms of political judgement, the Tories won in the 1980s because they judged the mood of the same workers these hacks claim to represent far better than the hard left did themselves. That's not to say that class issues aren't relevant to tackling the BNP, but facts of history speak for themselves. The only thing Class War achieved in the long-term was to take the popular and inclusive anarchist movement of the 1980s and shrink it back down to yet another tiny left-wing cult, with a couple of hundred fanatical, holier-than-thou, violent and sometimes inarticulate and stupid supporters, and since then IWCA lost all its councillors, has a tiny membership, and (for all its thoughtful and well-informed analyses) poses zero threat to the BNP.
In establishing the BNP as a "radical" (sic) "alternative" (sic) in at least some white working-class communities, the BNP have achieved inroads in exactly the territory that hard-left and anarchist class warriors like to think is their own, and my God some class warriors are fucking jealous! They're also bitter that resurgent Anti-Fascism fails to pay due deference to their past achievements, slagging-off people who have the common-sense to use media tools the EDL and BNP have turned to their advantage as "student wankers" and "keyboard warriors", in preference to realising that new generations of young media-savvy activists may well be Anti-Fascism's greatest asset
For those who think they and their friends are the "genuine" Anti-Fascists, Anti-Fascism is the property of NO-ONE. If you're a class warrior who wants to use resurgent Anti-Fascism to re-establish your own failed CULT preferably please don't, or at least have the honesty to openly declare which group or ideology you're trying to promote, and please don't let your bitterness and anger wreck Anti-Fascism like you wrecked your own movements."
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/03/448107.html?c=on#c245345
I don't agree with it all, and i do not see why you should have to. BUt there is an interesting comment on here I have put in bold.
"extreme workerist groups like Class War and AFA veterans from Red Action and the IWCA. You've got to admire people who've got the bottle to physically take-on Fascists, but, in terms of political judgement, the Tories won in the 1980s because they judged the mood of the same workers these hacks claim to represent far better than the hard left did themselves. That's not to say that class issues aren't relevant to tackling the BNP, but facts of history speak for themselves. The only thing Class War achieved in the long-term was to take the popular and inclusive anarchist movement of the 1980s and shrink it back down to yet another tiny left-wing cult, with a couple of hundred fanatical, holier-than-thou, violent and sometimes inarticulate and stupid supporters, and since then IWCA lost all its councillors, has a tiny membership, and (for all its thoughtful and well-informed analyses) poses zero threat to the BNP.
In establishing the BNP as a "radical" (sic) "alternative" (sic) in at least some white working-class communities, the BNP have achieved inroads in exactly the territory that hard-left and anarchist class warriors like to think is their own, and my God some class warriors are fucking jealous! They're also bitter that resurgent Anti-Fascism fails to pay due deference to their past achievements, slagging-off people who have the common-sense to use media tools the EDL and BNP have turned to their advantage as "student wankers" and "keyboard warriors", in preference to realising that new generations of young media-savvy activists may well be Anti-Fascism's greatest asset
For those who think they and their friends are the "genuine" Anti-Fascists, Anti-Fascism is the property of NO-ONE. If you're a class warrior who wants to use resurgent Anti-Fascism to re-establish your own failed CULT preferably please don't, or at least have the honesty to openly declare which group or ideology you're trying to promote, and please don't let your bitterness and anger wreck Anti-Fascism like you wrecked your own movements."
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
what is 'resurgent' anti fascism?
The IWCA hasn't lost all its cllrs btw
The IWCA hasn't lost all its cllrs btw
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I like the idea that Thatcher won because she judged the mood; I'm glad she didn't rely on bribery, intimidation, jingoism and thuggery to secure a large enough minority of electoral support for our political system to give her huge power. When I say I like the idea of course what I mean is it is at best a quarter baked.
Louis MacNeice
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Fuck knows. As far as I'm concerned it's never ebbed enough to require resurgence.
The Black Hand
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Interesting new book;
jain king says:
Anyone else looking forward to this book coming out?
Here's what it's about: During his investigations into the British National Party (BNP), academic researcher Andi Ali has come face-to-face with the brutal reality of racism in the UK. Threatened as a 'Dead Paki Walking' Ali has been beaten, stabbed and even abducted, and is included on the Neo-Nazi Redwatch hit-list. Ali s academic research in to the BNP has made him powerful enemies who have warned him to stop his activities. When he refused he was viciously assaulted outside Downing Street and left for dead. In Dead Paki Walking, Ali explains how his investigations started and of the means members of the far-right have taken to smear his name in order to stop his activities. As an autobiography, Dead Paki Walking is written in the first person and reads like a dark and sinister political thriller. The frightening fact is that the BNP are attracting an increasing number of supporters. If nothing else, Andi's book epitomizes the maxim 'know thine enemy'. This disturbing autobiography is a tale of one man's battle against racial intolerance, which Ali has fought everyday to uphold the liberal values in which he believes.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dead-Paki-W...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269875039&sr=8-1
jain king says:
Anyone else looking forward to this book coming out?
Here's what it's about: During his investigations into the British National Party (BNP), academic researcher Andi Ali has come face-to-face with the brutal reality of racism in the UK. Threatened as a 'Dead Paki Walking' Ali has been beaten, stabbed and even abducted, and is included on the Neo-Nazi Redwatch hit-list. Ali s academic research in to the BNP has made him powerful enemies who have warned him to stop his activities. When he refused he was viciously assaulted outside Downing Street and left for dead. In Dead Paki Walking, Ali explains how his investigations started and of the means members of the far-right have taken to smear his name in order to stop his activities. As an autobiography, Dead Paki Walking is written in the first person and reads like a dark and sinister political thriller. The frightening fact is that the BNP are attracting an increasing number of supporters. If nothing else, Andi's book epitomizes the maxim 'know thine enemy'. This disturbing autobiography is a tale of one man's battle against racial intolerance, which Ali has fought everyday to uphold the liberal values in which he believes.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dead-Paki-W...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269875039&sr=8-1
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh come on Andi Ali? Really?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
One of the better books about at the moment is The New Extremism in 21st Century Britain by Goodwin and Eatwell.
The Black Hand
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Just read this, so I am posting it without prejeudice
BNP voters have lowest IQ
THE brightest children go on to vote Liberal Democrat or Green, according to a survey.
The study by Edinburgh University researchers has found that childhood intelligence is linked to voting preferences and political involvement in adulthood.
The study - which looked at voting patterns in the 2001 general election - found that those with higher IQ ratings were more likely to vote Green in an election.
The survey - including cognitive tests at ages five and ten - was followed up with a study of voting habits at 34.
Those who voted Green had an average IQ of 108.3, with Lib-Dem voters just behind at 108.2.
Conservative and Labour voters were further behind - with scores of 103.7 and 103.0 respectively, while voters for Welsh nationalist Plaid Cymru scored an average of 102.5. Scottish National Party voters had an average IQ of 102.2.
Non-voters were found to have an average IQ of 99.7.
The research showed that British National Party voters had the lowest average intelligence - scoring just 98.4.
Source: The Scotsman 11/08
http://www.wolvestuc.org.uk/index.p...ave-lowest-iq&catid=28:anti-fascism&Itemid=31
BNP voters have lowest IQ
THE brightest children go on to vote Liberal Democrat or Green, according to a survey.
The study by Edinburgh University researchers has found that childhood intelligence is linked to voting preferences and political involvement in adulthood.
The study - which looked at voting patterns in the 2001 general election - found that those with higher IQ ratings were more likely to vote Green in an election.
The survey - including cognitive tests at ages five and ten - was followed up with a study of voting habits at 34.
Those who voted Green had an average IQ of 108.3, with Lib-Dem voters just behind at 108.2.
Conservative and Labour voters were further behind - with scores of 103.7 and 103.0 respectively, while voters for Welsh nationalist Plaid Cymru scored an average of 102.5. Scottish National Party voters had an average IQ of 102.2.
Non-voters were found to have an average IQ of 99.7.
The research showed that British National Party voters had the lowest average intelligence - scoring just 98.4.
Source: The Scotsman 11/08
http://www.wolvestuc.org.uk/index.p...ave-lowest-iq&catid=28:anti-fascism&Itemid=31
sounds interesting, lets hope its readable type size for us old cunts
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Just read this, so I am posting it without prejeudice
BNP voters have lowest IQ
What about those who actually join the BNP? There's one, a barrister no less, who has actually risked his whole, very well paid career, by standing as a candidate for the BNP. Now he must be really thick.
More here.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Just read this, so I am posting it without prejeudice
BNP voters have lowest IQ
THE brightest children go on to vote Liberal Democrat or Green, according to a survey.
The study by Edinburgh University researchers has found that childhood intelligence is linked to voting preferences and political involvement in adulthood.
The study - which looked at voting patterns in the 2001 general election - found that those with higher IQ ratings were more likely to vote Green in an election.
The survey - including cognitive tests at ages five and ten - was followed up with a study of voting habits at 34.
Those who voted Green had an average IQ of 108.3, with Lib-Dem voters just behind at 108.2.
Conservative and Labour voters were further behind - with scores of 103.7 and 103.0 respectively, while voters for Welsh nationalist Plaid Cymru scored an average of 102.5. Scottish National Party voters had an average IQ of 102.2.
Non-voters were found to have an average IQ of 99.7.
The research showed that British National Party voters had the lowest average intelligence - scoring just 98.4.
Source: The Scotsman 11/08
http://www.wolvestuc.org.uk/index.p...ave-lowest-iq&catid=28:anti-fascism&Itemid=31
This is based on the 1970 British Cohort Study and actually concluded that 'childhood general intelligence is associated with a person’s political allegiance as much as social class '
There were only 33 BNP candidates and they only attracted 47,000 votes in 2001.
More recent studies show that the overall educational attainment profile of those who vote BNP pretty much mirrors Labour's.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
It's a new division between deserving and undeserving; drawn up by the qualified rather than the rich.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
We have to be careful with these narrow hypotheses. An appeal to nationalism, patriotism, nostalgic greatness and group pride through political unity (via party allegience) can affect people of all economic, educational and social classes. Once someone is convinced of the correctness of their choice to join a political clan, getting them to realise their decision was based on false premise is not an easy task.
The Black Hand
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Links? Ta.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Its in one of Dr Mathew Goodwins papers, University of Manchester
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