Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack

[cesare]

What if the infiltrators were 2 midgets , one male , one female , in a big coat pretending to be one tall person ? They'd pass a genital check .

You can't be too careful .

 

[Athos]

Harder target than me, eh.

Eh? I've not 'targeted' you, have I? Apart from anything else, I've no reason to; as far as I know, this is the first exchange we've had. We just disagreed that's all, from my perspective. Certainly didn't set out to have a pop at you, and don't think I was rude or aggressive.

 

[Athos]

What if the infiltrators were 2 midgets , one male , one female , in a big coat pretending to be one tall person ? They'd pass a genital check .

You can't be too careful .

 

[cesare]

Eh? I've not 'targeted' you, have I? Apart from anything else, I've no reason to; as far as I know, this is the first exchange we've had. We just disagreed that's all, from y perspective. Certainly didn't set out to have a pop at you, and don;t think I was rude or aggressive.

Unintended consequences but ((((( Athos )))) x x x

 

[Athos]

Unintended consequences but ((((( Athos )))) x x x

Sorry.

Should have stuck with my resolution to give contentious and emotive topics a swerve.

 

[Wilf]

Sorry.

Should have stuck with my resolution to give contentious and emotive topics a swerve.

You get back in the coat - and keep the buttons fastened!

 

[cesare]

Sorry.

Should have stuck with my resolution to give contentious and emotive topics a swerve.

Aw (((Athos))) x x x

 

[Casually Red]

Actually it'd take 3 midgets to be convincing , the bits would be too low down .

 

[cesare]

Actually it'd take 3 midgets to be convincing , the bits would be too low down .

You have a problem here with the effect of three short people affected by dwarfism not passing the combined height test.

 

[Athos]

I don't think they're called that any more.

 

[Casually Red]

You have a problem here with the effect of three midgets not passing the combined height test.

Platform shoes , no probs .

 

[Wilf]

Just to take a different tack on this: in the example of a women's group or a refuge, would the women have the right to be concerned about the presence of men? Would they be entitled to exclude men? YES, of course! It's just that the presence of trans women has nothing to do with that situation.

Oh and while I'm in random mode, if anyone wants to really be outraged over this, google Germaine Greer's views on trans women (which she was repeating at the Oxford or Cambridge Union recently).

 

[cesare]

Platform shoes , no probs .

Too tall for the man test?

 

[Wilf]

Actually it'd take 3 midgets to be convincing , the bits would be too low down .

I think we should take heed of Urban's Equalities Officer on this.

 

[cesare]

Just to take a different tack on this: in the example of a women's group or a refuge, would the women have the right to be concerned about the presence of men? Would they be entitled to exclude men? YES, of course! It's just that the presence of trans women has nothing to do with that situation.

Oh and while I'm in random mode, if anyone wants to really be outraged over this, google Germaine Greer's views on trans women (which she was repeating at the Oxford or Cambridge Union recently).

Blimey, Greer's mellowed on this compared to back in the day.

 

[newbie]

Who knows? The question has been asked repeatedly but no answers/experiences have emerged.

you asked this before and I answered sport, but no-one picked up on it. It seems to me to be the area which is by far the most likely to generate legitimate issues which cannot be dismissed as bigotry

Since then AS has posted something which linked to the rather odd circumstances of Allison Woolbert, which I'd not heard of before and don't pretend to know anything about, but does seem relevant to your question.

 

[Pickman's model]

Platform shoes , no probs .

stilts ftw

 

[Mation]

Discussions that ive had with people who identify as non binary is that some gender identities dont see themselves as male or female or any combination therof and therefore off the spectrum entirely. I put forward the idea of a 3 dimensional spectrum and they agreed that that just might work.
Its difficult for me to conceptualise such thing tbh as i can only understand a spectrum.

Ah, ok - that makes sense

 

[Treacle Toes]

you asked this before and I answered sport, but no-one picked up on it. It seems to me to be the area which is by far the most likely to generate legitimate issues which cannot be dismissed as bigotry

I did see this. The 'legitimate' issues and 'risks being those 'unfair' advantage against other teams? There isn't a suggestion of 'risk' to other women though...that's what I was asking about tbh.

Those unable to prove they are female would be barred from taking part in the women's leagues until they underwent medical treatment, he said.

"If these people can solve their problems through surgery and be in a position to receive the necessary medical qualifications, they will then be able to participate in [women's] football,"

'necessary medical qualifications' ... I'd like to know what that means.

Since then AS has posted something which linked to the rather odd circumstances of Allison Woolbert, which I'd not heard of before and don't pretend to know anything about, but does seem relevant to your question.

Right, so this is what the fear is? That trans* women will sexually assault cis women?

Does the fact this one person commited a sexual assault 23 years ago give us the necessary evidence to exclude trans* women because they are all a threat to cis women?

 

[kabbes]

Three dimensions creates eight "extreme" genders plus a continuum of intermediary positions. But why stop there? Why not five or ten dimensions, for 32 or 1024 distinct genders? Is it that hard to think of 5 distinct human traits that are unrelated to eachother? Even some of the crappy psychometric test bollocks that's out there have 11 dimensions.

 

[J Ed]

BTW for those who are making the bathroom argument - a transwoman in Sheffield was sacked by an agency at Aviva in Sheffield for using the female toilet. After some pickets by the IWW, Aviva, which as far as I could tell was horrified by what happened from the start, ended up getting rid of the agency and employing the transwoman directly.

So... TERF feminists are not only more backwards on this issue than the British Army but also a significant part of the financial industry. What is the point of you?

 

[J Ed]

BTW, yesterday in a bus stop (??) in Sheffield last night I saw a poster for a Julie Bindel talk during which she would apparently whine about being 'no platformed'. £5 on the door. This weird world just keeps getting weirder.

 

[Sea Star]

Julie Bindel who started a discussion about LGB rights on Guardian CiF but kept deleting all the contributions by trans women. No platformed eh?

 

[likesfish]

More backwards than the british army is not really a sentence that comes up very frequently

 

[Pickman's model]

More backwards than the british army is not really a sentence that comes up very frequently

it's not a sentence at all. no verb.

 

[cesare]

People may recognise most of this from yesterday. Saves getting anymore of it piecemeal today: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/are-you-now-or-have-you-ever-been-terf#disqus_thread

 

[Citizen66]

People may recognise most of this from yesterday. Saves getting anymore of it piecemeal today: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/are-you-now-or-have-you-ever-been-terf#disqus_thread

That was part of my two hour crash course.

 

[cesare]

That was part of my two hour crash course.

Shove your cut and pasted McCarthyism up your arse "comrade"

 

[Citizen66]

Charming.

 

[Pickman's model]

That was part of my two hour crash course.

yeh your car crash course from the looks of it