Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack
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likesfish
You can't park here sir
I don't get paid to promote equaility and diversity
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Fozzie Bear
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My reading of that is that you were suggesting people identified as male or female. Some people don't identify as either. So a strict definition of gender as binary "male OR female" is wrong.
However the emphasis has to be on how actual individuals identify. In 99.9% of cases it is not up to me to disagree with someone's own gender identity.
There are various "devils advocate" and whataboutery positions we can discuss in a minute. But first off, does that make sense to you?
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or spelling or good sense
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still? for shame!
cantsin
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worth pointing out this was linked to, but not actually posted on the IWW site
one at a time eh stavvers?
I don't want to get angry about this, I know that as she points out in the comments these are just "rhetoric, bombastic statements" commenting on "the directionality of structural violence" but fuck, in the context of where I'm from, and the people I've known and what's taking place now this stuff is just toxic. Lots of people whose lives are being demolished are coming into contact with the left for the first time, lots of them are cis white men, and this is what they might find? fuck this, not everyone lives in a fucking london liberal bubble, try coming out with this crap in a homeless shelter or on a northern housing estate and see how far you get. if your idea of politics is comments that would get you laughed at or lynched in most working class spaces then you need to have a big fucking think.
but the woman in question here works @ frickin goldmsiths, as a bloody diversity officer, no one's pretending she works on a housing estate or homeless shelter, or that her politics would be particularly relevant ( or helpful possibly) in those enviroments ?
You could take 95% of topics ever discussed on these boards and say the same, it doesn't mean you'd wish the rightwing fucktard brigade on an individual member who got singled out by the scum press ?
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i like posts for lots of reasons, and the likes should not be taken as agreement in every case. why you should think as agrees with every post she likes seems to me peculiar.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
True That
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/68693038/university-officer-may-be-sacked-after-racist-tweet.
The tweet was a fair one have your little bme women echo chamber fair one.
The sarcy y tone towards " allies" wasnt really helpful the stupid male tears photo was inviting trouble what the fuck did she expect was going to happen?
I'm not talking about the comment made by Bahar Mustafa, I'm talking about what Stavvers said (in the post that was quoted) on a reasonably successful political blog that has often talked about welfare reforms etc
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cesare
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I also think the response was fairly predictable, but I'm not about to support such comments as "I want to rape your cunt with a chainsaw, bitch"
cantsin
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ah...apols, I'll stfu then
likesfish
You can't park here sir
No I wouldnt support that or similar
She deserves to be called on her idiocy not threatened
My point was I would refer to someone's gender as how they referred to their gender. Tbf it was a different stage of the debate where we were discussing cis etc. But when it cropped up again it confused me because it *appeared* to be contradicting the earlier point.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Nothing really though the male tears cartoon wasnt really professional if your a welfare and diversity officer you should at least attempt to appear that your approachable by all members of the student body not just the trendy lefties
(apart from its UK students politics so its inherantly pointless
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likesfish
You can't park here sir
Tbf the turks invaded cyprus because the greek cypriots had decided " to remove kebab" as the internet meme goes
Fozzie Bear
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That's fair enough. Has this helped?
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Nothing really though the male tears cartoon wasnt really professional if your a welfare and diversity officer you should at least attempt to appear that your approachable by all members of the student body not just the trendy lefties
(apart from its UK students politics so its inherantly pointless
I don't disagree with you actually. I think her cartoon was mocking and combative, it was a stupid thing to do in her position.
My question to you though was because of the way you referred to BME women's meetings as 'little' and as an 'echo chamber.' That was very dismissive of them as a thing rather than BM and her childish behaviour.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There's a bigot hammer falling on Casually Red in the Irish equal marriage thread too
Now there's a surprise.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It seems to me that most argument comes from fixed positions on this, whereas reality as it unfolds in individual situations maybe somewhat more fluid and "case-by-case". One wouldn't admit a male hairy-arsed greasy biker to a womens' refuge merely because he stated "I'm a woman", for example.
This is yet another problem with identity politics, IMO. It's too rigid. Intersectionalism should add nuance, but the way it is deployed mostly to add up the degree or lack of privilege means that we don't generate any meaningful schema by which you can map why or how privilege works, all you can do is make assumptions that "x is more privileged than y".
That's what it meant in this instance though.
I'd rather some voices were still part of the debate.
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good.
cesare
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Do you support freedom of response?
It's probably true in the Goldsmiths bubble. Clumsy to boil it all down to that with all the shit that's happening though.
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