I do. I don't support labelling people bigots though without fully hearing their arguments first.
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I do. I don't support labelling people bigots though without fully hearing their arguments first.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
I want to do more than just like the above.
In two sentences AS succinctly summed up how I feel on this issue.
I imagine many Transgender people must endure a enormous amount of inner turmoil before they can stand up and ask to be accepted for who they are.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
no I didn't!! Some people are non-binary. I am NOT non binary.
But when I suggested this you disagreed with me. Were you being sardonic?
I have a problem with you deciding what my gender is. Do you understand that?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
How about if you have fully heard their arguments?
I said I'd accept people's gender as they identify themselves.
Then I'd stop everyone else from understanding the issue because I already understand it?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
No, I'd argue against them. And if they go off in a huff that's entirely a matter for them.
So you think everyone with an opposing view are driven by bigotry?
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Why did you say I was non-binary?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Not at all. For example I think your views are driven by a wish for whataboutery rather than bigotry.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
I would say just people who use their dogma to "prove" that some people need to be excluded, vilified and abused.
Because I was left with the impression from our previous exchange that everyone is non binary. I apologise if I'm not grasping it. It's the first time I've discussed this properly so it's uncharted waters for me.
I read some opposing views after the ones on here went quiet and wondered why I should dismiss those arguments.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Non-binary people do not identify as male or female, or both at different times or in different ways.
I'm binary female.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
You don't have to dismiss those arguments. But that's up to you.
At the start of the debate I didn't know what cis was and now I know what binary is. I realise it must be frustrating for you but at least I can't claim ignorance in future (which is genuine btw).
Well, it's theoretical really as I think it's fairly unambiguous as to whether I'd be policing women only spaces or not.
Athos
Well-Known Member
What do you mean by 'better'?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I think that's part of the point really, and one that Fozzie Bear put really well earlier. It's theoretical for you but it's someone's life to them, where they face exclusion and marginalisation just for who they are.Well, it's theoretical really as I think it's fairly unambiguous as to whether I'd be policing women only spaces or not.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't agree. i think your input extremely important here. (((AuntiStella)))
But the same applies to those doing the excluding? If a group of women, for whatever reason, make their space cis only then framing it as exclusion seems synonymous with them being bigots. They have to choose between being labelled bigots or capitulating.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Most of society is cis only.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
they seem quite happy to be labelled bigots tbh - and not least by other cis women.
I'm talking about the microcosm of political groups rather than society.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Trans-exclusionary views aren't limited to tiny political groups though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
much of society is a cis pit
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
What I read suggested otherwise. In fact being branded a bigot on the left is social suicide.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
The ones who have been attacking me on Twitter don't seem bothered. In fact they seem to revel in it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i am offering it to one b.'.m.'. to do with as she will.
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