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Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack

Should she be sacked?

  • Yes she should

    Votes: 71 53.4%

  • No she should not

    Votes: 32 24.1%

  • Official warning

    Votes: 7 5.3%

  • Attention seeking option

    Votes: 23 17.3%
  • Total voters
    133
AuntiStella said:
There are good guidelines already available - its just a matter of employers taking them on board.
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It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation - I don't doubt that there are good guidelines available but they're mostly accessible to employers actively looking for them, iyswim. For many employers they don't even think to look for them and their policies are confined to a generic policy on gender recognition (if that) which doesn't tend to cover practicalities and raising awareness.
 
cesare said:
It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation - I don't doubt that there are good guidelines available but they're mostly accessible to employers actively looking for them, iyswim. For many employers they don't even think to look for them and their policies are confined to a generic policy on gender recognition (if that) which doesn't tend to cover practicalities and raising awareness.
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We bought into the Stonewall Index thing a while ago and now that it includes Trans elements I don't doubt that my company will start to improve. I'm also likely to stand election for chair of the LGBT+ network this autumn and if I win I'll make trans awareness for the company a top priority!
 
AuntiStella said:
We bought into the Stonewall Index thing a while ago and now that it includes Trans elements I don't doubt that my company will start to improve. I'm also likely to stand election for chair of the LGBT+ network this autumn and if I win I'll make trans awareness for the company a top priority!
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I was just looking at Stonewall's top 100 employers - really interesting to see which employers are there ... Mostly public sector, big banks and big law firms. Probably the basis of a thread in itself ...
 
cesare said:
I was just looking at Stonewall's top 100 employers - really interesting to see which employers are there ... Mostly public sector, big banks and big law firms. Probably the basis of a thread in itself ...
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we were in there till last year. dropped out this year. Shows that there are serious issues with the way my company deals with LGBT+ in my opinion.
 
cesare said:
It certainly sounds like it from your experiences - I'm amazed they got on the top 100 list in the first place.
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They bought into LGB equality bigtime a few years ago but - like almost everyone - decided to ignore Trans.

And as the criteria for points gets more difficult our management seem to be taking the position that they've done enough already and are blocking good practice now.
 
Citizen66 said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse? You said to pickman's that he couldn't make the judgement call regarding someone's colour of skin in defence of someone doing exactly that.
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No, that doesn't follow. Telling someone they're white when they tell you they aren't is different to referring to a group by that term. The latter is ambiguous about whether it's meant to include only people who self-identify or not.
 
ska invita said:
ah of course - thats sad and makes me feel somewhat sorry for everyone involved (and being mocked)
To me student politics is a place to find yourself and cut your teeth a little, in the relatively safe space and small scale of the campus - whatever the rights and wrongs of this this isn't something that should be covered in national newspapers and shared hundreds of thousands of times on the internet.
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Yep. Everyone needs to work out how not to be a dick. Some people have a LOT more working out to do than others and it can't help that we now live in a world in which that can be done so publically, and so easily.
 
BigMoaner said:
she is encouraging hatred instead of change and understanding and she should be sacked off sharpish. it's offensive. you can talk about power structures and privilage all your like, but if my black neighbours on my street started talking like that to me or my family, i'd want them arrested, just like if hte whites on my street started talking like that about my black neighbours. just because she's a student and a diversity officer shouldn't make any difference.
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you dont really think your 'black neighbours' saying 'kill all whites' would be the same as you saying 'kill all blacks do you' ? Do we really need to go though all this again ?

Just daft.
 
So what are you saying? It's less wrong for them to say it? They two might not be the same but the two are equally morally repulsive.
 
AuntiStella said:
Firstly its not a label, its a descriptive term like straight or white. Secondly, it carries no guilt or accusation. One does not choose to be cis. One just is. I love many cis people. My boyfriend is white, cis and hetereosexual and I still love him very much! Thirdly, if you support trans people then please don't reject the word trans as refusal to use trans results in trans people being excluded. For example, a cis woman differentiating herself from trans women will use such pejorative terms as "real", "genetic", "born" or "normal". Cis helps us avoid all of that!
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How is "born" pejorative?
 
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