George Osborne wriggles out of £1.6m taxes - make him pay here

[ViolentPanda]

Yeah. We can re-invest the money that we've just cut from other things into fighting the veritable scourge that is the traffic cone A cancer that must be cleansed from our land !!

Traffic cones would still be very good impromptu wizard hats for Oxbridge students, though, with the added bonus that the weight might snap their pencil-necks.

 

[frogwoman]

Don't worry, with these tuition fee rises we won't need to worry about that problem, comrade

 

[ViolentPanda]

actually, you're right, he's always the first to whip out the 'I'm superior and you're not NEERR!' section of the Big Insults Book when he's getting his botty smacked in debate...

Remember that GMarthews character who used to post here? He had the same absolute assurance of his intellectual superiority, and provided about the same level of proof of it, i.e. sweet fuck-all.

Of course, he too got "his botty smacked" just about every time he "debated".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Don't worry, with these tuition fee rises we won't need to worry about that problem, comrade

Just think, though, if Osborne didn't avoid this £1.5 million of tax, that avoided payment could keep the fees of nearly 450 students at their current level for an academic year.

 

[frogwoman]

It'd have to be the right 450 students though. Couldn't have any of those proles slipping through the cracks.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It'd have to be the right 450 students though. Couldn't have any of those proles slipping through the cracks.

And only students at the "right" universities, too!

 

[trevhagl]

You still getting moist at the thought of Ann Widdecombe, then?

harsh!

 

[frogwoman]

oh come on comrade, you know the glorious dawn of toryism is just around the corner

 

[i_got_poison]

Oh REALLY? Funny that, it must be cos it wasn't one! And neither I, nor anyone else here, owes you one - you, on the other hand, do owe froggy an apology for that utterly pathetic (and failed) smear of her on this thread. HOwever, we both know you're nowhere near man enough to do so.

you champion her honour so valiantly. a man among men. a knight of the garter!

 

[frogwoman]

its ok poison, ive decided to embrace my inner tory self.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Did not Clegg or one of his crones declare that rich fuckers using legal loopholes was immoral?

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah, but it's in the national interest.

 

[Cobbles]

"Legal" tax dodges like this cost the rest of us billions.

No it doesn't.

If the Treasury is so incompetent at drafting tax legislation that it leaves wholesale areas open to interpretation, maybe they should hire in some of the accountants and Lawyers who manage to organise people's legitimate affairs so that they pay as little tax as possible to redraft it so that more tax can be collected.

Sorry what exactly has Mr Osborne done that's wrong?

Nothing.

 

[yield]

Did not Clegg or one of his crones declare that rich fuckers using legal loopholes was immoral?

Clegg attacks tax dodgers who employ an 'army of lawyers' and bankers paid 'ludicrous' bonuses
Daily Mail 22nd September 2010

The Deputy PM, who has already vowed to bring in intrusive new tax investigations, suggested avoiding tax in such straitened times was immoral.

 

[Citizen66]

Monopoly on activism. lol

Nobody can organise without running it by us

 

[i_got_poison]

Least we forget.
Nathaniel Rothschild: Letter to the Editor
The Times. October 21, 2008



i_got_poison you do your cause a disservice with your ill thought out comments.

Keep up the good work.

i implied all political parties are guilty of this. surely that wasn't lost on you when you wrote this tat.

 

[moon23]

So, a monopoly that doesn't actually exist, then.

I said something like "their monopoly is developing, implying they were increasing their 'market share'. I did not mean it literally, but rather colloquially.

Who are you to decide what is or isn't futile?

I expressed my concern this is the case, I am not the judge of all that is futile nor claiming to be.

Please substantiate this claim.

How? - it's a statement of opinion based on my experience of campaigning.

Mass mails cost fuck-all and take fuck-all time, so it's hardly a facet of their work that's wasteful of effort once their mailing database is set up.

It's wasteful in that many MPs simply ignore mass emailing campaigns in much the same way as they ignore mass post card campaigns. It's vastly more effective to write a personal letter or lobby your MP in person. People are led to believe that sending a mass email out is ‘taking action’ honestly in my opinion it really isn’t. I'm not an 'activist' type but I would have thought many of those who support direct action would agree with me.

If you have concerns after reading their privacy statement, then contact them and raise your concerns. better that than making idiotic statements
about them having a "monopoly".

I'd make a complaint to the ICO.

 

[moon23]

You don't know what a monopoly is. You've described a) them being ineffective and b) showed how your worldview centres around what MPs think. What you most certainly have not done is demonstrate any sort of monopoly - have you?

I said their monopoly was 'developing' - The very fact that their website is now being linked to on Urban is a marker of their growth. I've been following their development.

 

[Streathamite]

Remember that GMarthews character who used to post here? He had the same absolute assurance of his intellectual superiority, and provided about the same level of proof of it, i.e. sweet fuck-all.

Of course, he too got "his botty smacked" just about every time he "debated".

oh god yes, he was pretty r/w too!

 

[Streathamite]

No it doesn't.

If the Treasury is so incompetent at drafting tax legislation that it leaves wholesale areas open to interpretation, maybe they should hire in some of the accountants and Lawyers who manage to organise people's legitimate affairs so that they pay as little tax as possible to redraft it so that more tax can be collected.

Sorry what exactly has Mr Osborne done that's wrong?

Nothing.

avoided a moral obligation to the British people, and the society without which he would be nothing, implicit in the phrase 'we're all in this together', and failing to lead by example. Neither of which concepts you'll ever come close to understanding

 

[Streathamite]

its ok poison, ive decided to embrace my inner tory self.

oh stop it, me sides.......

 

[butchersapron]

I said their monopoly was 'developing' - The very fact that their website is now being linked to on Urban is a marker of their growth. I've been following their development.

No you didn't. You said something entirely different then pretended that you'd said developing then quoted yourself back saying developing. And a website being linked to via a C&P of an email is not an indicator of growth, it could well mean the exact opposite. Not sure you really have much of a clue about anything beyond your own fetid 'activism' to be honest. And yes, i did notice your attempt at sound important by suggesting that you golly gosh know MPs earlier in the thread.

38 degrees are neither an established nor a developing monopoly. They're a bunch of guilty liberal rich people who have no idea how the system works and who consequently can't square their own personal profit making with the problems that that profit making making produces and relies on. So they petition. Good luck to 'em.

 

[Cobbles]

avoided a moral obligation to the British people

What moral obligation? I'm presuming that he pays tax in the UK on his personal income. what more is he supposed to do?

 

[frogwoman]

oh stop it, me sides.......

have you donated to our hedge fund yet?

 

[moon23]

No you didn't. You said something entirely different then pretended that you'd said developing then quoted yourself back saying developing. And a website being linked to via a C&P of an email is not an indicator of growth, it could well mean the exact opposite. Not sure you really have much of a clue about anything beyond your own fetid 'activism' to be honest. And yes, i did notice your attempt at sound important by suggesting that you golly gosh know MPs earlier in the thread.

38 degrees are neither an established nor a developing monopoly. They're a bunch of guilty liberal rich people who have no idea how the system works and who consequently can't square their own personal profit making with the problems that that profit making making produces and relies on. So they petition. Good luck to 'em.

"38 Degrees monopoly seems to be developing nicely. " Is what I said e.g. they are developing a monopoly.

They are growing as an organisation with more people using the website.

 

[frogwoman]

expanding an organisatio doesn't mean "growing a monopoly".

 

[butchersapron]

That implies an established monopoly - which has been shown to be nonsense.

 

[Streathamite]

"38 Degrees monopoly seems to be developing nicely. " Is what I said e.g. they are developing a monopoly.

They are growing as an organisation with more people using the website.

but that doesn't equate to a monopoly!

 

[nino_savatte]

expanding an organisatio doesn't mean "growing a monopoly".

Maybe he thinks you can 'grow' monopolies like you can grow mould.

 

[Lo Siento.]

What moral obligation? I'm presuming that he pays tax in the UK on his personal income. what more is he supposed to do?

The government, of which he is a part, has a law saying that people inheriting money should pay tax on that inheritance. Presumably then, they think that is a morally legitimate tax to levy on British citizens, and a tax that many people pay. It is therefore hypocritical and amoral, to claim on the one hand that "everyone must make sacrifices to save the country from a debt crisis" and on the other to carry out financial maneuvres specifically (and solely) to avoid paying a perfectly legitimate tax.