Gaza under attack yet again.

[Pickman's model]

herod was killing children looking for jesus less than 3,500 years ago and of course the zionists have been very keen to kill children from at least 1948 on.

 

[Theisticle]

http://www.thenation.com/article/180830/comix-nation#

 

[frogwoman]

'Pedantry alive and well I see'

 

[quiquaquo]

Not pedantry again, just been taken to task for using the word "pedanticism" on the SWP Squabbles thread.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

"@daliaZLababidi: We might live very noisy night but we will not leave our home\neighborhood to another place. We'll die here."

 

[Mr.Bishie]

"@daliaZLababidi: we expect every night to be isolated from the world! #Gaza #GazaUnderAttack"

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Dilemma: is there any point in donating to charities helping Palestinian casualties while the UK is still arming Israel?

 

[quiquaquo]

Dilemma: is there any point in donating to charities helping Palestinian casualties while the UK is still arming Israel?

Eh?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Eh?

Not that hard to understand. Plenty of charities now looking for money to help Palestinian casualties. I want to give, but would feel a bit of a tool while companies here are still making money out of selling arms to Israel just to create more casualties.

 

[butchersapron]

Not that hard to understand. Plenty of charities now looking for money to help Palestinian casualties. I want to give, but would feel a bit of a tool while companies here are still making money out of selling arms to Israel.

That's more of a reason to give you tool.

 

[quiquaquo]

More filth: http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/08/joan-...ggressive-gaza-rant-caught-on-camera-4825971/

"Joan Rivers says Palestinians ‘deserve to be dead’ in aggressive Gaza rant caught on camera"

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Actually, just fired off a quick e-mail to my MP. Why not?

Hi Sandra

I want to donate money to a charity helping Palestinian casualties of the current conflict in Gaza. However, I don't see the point - and, frankly, would feel a bit of a fool - while UK companies are still making money out of arming Israel, creating the potential for more civilian casualties and destruction of homes. What are you doing to campaign against the flow of weaponry into this current conflict?

 

[butchersapron]

Hello i'm an old lady that can't breathe through my nose because of all my plastic surgery.

 

[quiquaquo]

Actually, just fired off a quick e-mail to my MP. Why not?

Hi Sandra

I want to donate money to a charity helping Palestinian casualties of the current conflict in Gaza. However, I don't see the point - and, frankly, would feel a bit of a fool - while UK companies are still making money out of arming Israel, creating the potential for more civilian casualties and destruction of homes. What are you doing to campaign against the flow of weaponry into this current conflict?

How Sandra Osborne voted on Foreign Policy and Defence #

• Voted moderately for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas
• Voted moderately for the Iraq war
• Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war
• Voted very strongly against replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system

 

[butchersapron]

• Voted very strongly for Johnny not giving any money as, after all, we arm Israel.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

How Sandra Osborne voted on Foreign Policy and Defence #

• Voted moderately for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas
• Voted moderately for the Iraq war
• Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war
• Voted very strongly against replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system

If I could have been arsed, I could have researched that myself. But thanks anyway.

Even more interested to read her response now, if she can be arsed.

 

[quiquaquo]

She'll be gone after Independence so nothing to worry about.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10467/sandra_osborne/ayr,_carrick_and_cumnock/votes

 

[Johnny Vodka]

She'll be gone after Independence so nothing to worry about.

Lol. Independence isn't going to happen.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Someone I have on FB linked to this: http://upww.us/vinienco/2012/11/16/besieging-gaza/

 

[butchersapron]

Someone I have on FB linked to this: http://upww.us/vinienco/2012/11/16/besieging-gaza/

This daft article from nov 2012 from a racist website - why link to it here?

 

[quiquaquo]

Lol. Independence isn't going to happen.

When Wee Eck's storm troopers come to arrest you...

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Not that hard to understand. Plenty of charities now looking for money to help Palestinian casualties. I want to give, but would feel a bit of a tool while companies here are still making money out of selling arms to Israel just to create more casualties.

I don't get it.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Actually, just fired off a quick e-mail to my MP. Why not?

Hi Sandra

I want to donate money to a charity helping Palestinian casualties of the current conflict in Gaza. However, I don't see the point - and, frankly, would feel a bit of a fool - while UK companies are still making money out of arming Israel, creating the potential for more civilian casualties and destruction of homes. What are you doing to campaign against the flow of weaponry into this current conflict?

I've given money to a charity helping Palestinian casualties. Am I "missing the point" too? Or are you just a self-satisfied fuckwit?

 

[krink]

Re Joan Rivers, there is a Facebook campaign against her appearing in Newcastle in October. I don't know how to link to it on this phone, sorry. The things she said were just pure heartless. Sickening.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I've given money to a charity helping Palestinian casualties. Am I "missing the point" too? Or are you just a self-satisfied fuckwit?

Wtf? The question isn't really about me, although I've framed it that way for the benefit of my MP. What's the point of citizens of the UK giving money to charities helping Palestinians while arms companies in the UK are allowed to sell weapons that will inevitably cause more death and destruction there? The point isn't really that hard to understand. Basically, what I'm wanting is for the UK to stop arming Israel - at least for a couple of years.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Wtf? The question isn't really about me, although I've framed it that way for the benefit of my MP. What's the point of citizens of the UK giving money to charities helping Palestinians while arms companies in the UK are allowed to sell weapons that will inevitably cause more death and destruction there? The point isn't really that hard to understand. Basically, what I'm wanting is for the UK to stop arming Israel - at least for a couple of years.

So your argument is don't give any money because people in positions of power in the country you live are arming Israel? Yeah that makes sense and in no way says to the people of Gaza that everybody in the UK is a warmongering fuckwit who supports Israel's occupation.

 

[laptop]

* tap * tap *

Yep, my irony detector is working.

Johnny Vodka - have you had a reply from your MP? Is hers?

 

[Anudder Oik]

The cultural boycott needs to be stepped up. The vile Joan Rivers should never perform again in the UK, and neither should anyone else of her political shade.

UK artists going to play tel Aviv need to feel the pressure, too.

 

[teqniq]

Petition on Change.org

Petitioning The Rt Hon Philip Hammond MP
Send RFA Argus hospital ship to Gaza

How much chance there is of them paying any attention to this is open to conjecture, however 37,000 + people have already signed it so maybe it will shame them into doing something. Please share.

 

[ViolentPanda]

OK. Very good point. I take that on board. So hamas aren't obliterated. They're still here. But my point is are they gaining any real traction? And if they are it's at a huge cost. But I still don't get it. If they are taking a calculated political risk they are doing so on the back of the lives of innocent people. It's that aspect I can't get my head around

Because you're seeing Gaza's population and HAMAS as two separate things, when in fact they're as comingled as any political party is with the electorate of the place in which it stands. Those people, those innocent people, a majority of them of voting age chose HAMAS in full knowledge of the possible costs, and as Butch has said, the state of Israel has probably guaranteed a win for HAMAS at the next general election in Gaza, not least because the people know that HAMAS will continue to resist.
It's part of our social make-up to struggle against oppression, and HAMAS gives Gazans the ability to do so. People feel that if they're going to die anyway (and the one thing that is sure is that the state of Israel will continue to fabricate reasons to oppress and repress Gaza), they might as well die as a wolf rather than a sheep.