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Thimble Queen said:
I wouldn't wish cancer or dementia on anyone (had both in my family, as it turns out my, not married to each other, uncle and aunt both died in the last four weeks - uncle due to cancer and my aunt after a long struggle with dementia) but I'm not sorry that thatcher suffered or that she died. I went to the thatchers dead parties, along with many others. Thatcher caused suffering to so many people so I think she's fair game. Its catharsis for some to celebrate and be glad. I can't see that with TPT she probably did more harm to herself than anyone else.
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I was going to go to a Thatcher's dead bash but was poorly, so I'm an odd one to be trying to carve out some kind of emotional terrain of stuff you shouldn't celebrate. I'm big on schadenfreude, particularly if it's of the poetic justice kind, it's just that I get a bit twitchy when the suffering that is actually visited upon them is something that much more worthy people in your own life are undergoing. I'm really not disagreeing with you, just owning up to a kind of emotional pedantry and/or wimpishness on my part. :oops:
 
Orang Utan said:
she died of cancer, not a drug overdose. i hope if i die of cancer, people don't think it's approptiate to comment on my lifestyle
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Cancer really? Where did you read that. No one here was suggesting an OD either.

Someone who is famous for being a wreckhead dies young and everyone just pretends all the other stuff just didn't happen?
 
Pickman's model said:
yeh. well, i haven't commented on her drug use, or her social class or her privilege. or her looks or her worth, nor even whether i fancied her. so i'll thank you not to take that tone with me.
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I never said you did, I was responding to the person who said I misread you. Clearly.

So whilst you're focussing on your language snobbery do you reckon you could improve your comprehension? My comment about your snobbery being a neat illustration of classism seemed to pass you by too luv.
 
keithy said:
I pointed out the hypocrisy because I think people would be fucking upset and angry if the exact same logic was applied to people they saw as humans rather than objects.
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ah. but here is where you're going wrong, by making assumptions that people would be fucking upset and angry if the exact same logic was applied to people they saw as humans rather than objects: because that will not necessarily be the case. it is only hypocrisy if they act here in a different way to how they would if it was 'people they saw as humans rather than objects'; you are anticipating hypocrisy rather than responding to it.

do you understand?
 
Thimble Queen said:
Again, no one is saying that we should pretend she's anything she wasn't. But suggesting she got what she deserved bc she struggled with drug addiction is fucking well harsh.
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OK. This is the nub of it. I really don't think anyone has said that, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. I've seen a few fuck her which I took in a I don't care sense rather than she deserved it. A few here also have a hatred of her class which is a different thing altogether. But where has anyone said she deserved to die because she was an addict?
 
belboid said:
Maybe it will depend on whether they've done anything else with their life. If they, like the dead posho, have done nothing else, then I won't care about them either.
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<Taps watch>

Are we going to see some evidence of this "rape apology", Bellend, or have you just forensically searched my posts on that thread and realised "oh, I've fucked right up here. What a silly Billy liar I've been :facepalm: "?

:D
 
keithy said:
I never said you did, I was responding to the person who said I misread you. Clearly.

So whilst you're focussing on your language snobbery do you reckon you could improve your comprehension? My comment about your snobbery being a neat illustration of classism seemed to pass you by too luv.
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:facepalm:

so immediately on being asked not to take that tone with me, you er take that tone with me. perhaps YOU could do something to improve YOUR comprehension: i'll -> i will. the future tense. not the past.
 
Teaboy said:
Cancer really? Where did you read that. No one here was suggesting an OD either.

Someone who is famous for being a wreckhead dies young and everyone just pretends all the other stuff just didn't happen?
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not if it's something people who don't overindulge also die of
 
Pickman's model said:
darling if you must lie, please lie well.
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Your 'addition' being an irrelevent cricticism of my language which is a classic and well-recognised way that people dismiss working class people (and many other other oppressed groups, actually).

Just for clarity, as I know you struggle:

I WAS SAYING YOUR COMMENT SERVED AS A NEAT ILLUSTRATION OF CLASSISM IN A DISCUSSION THAT HAD GONE DOWN THE ROUTE OF DEBATING WHETHER SOMEBODY WAS WORTHY OF RESPECT BASED ON HOW PRIVILEGED OR UPPER CLASS SHE WAS
 
keithy said:
Your 'addition' being an irrelevent cricticism of my language which is a classic and well-recognised way that people dismiss working class people (and many other other oppressed groups, actually).

Just for clarity, as I know you struggle:

I WAS SAYING YOUR COMMENT SERVED AS A NEAT ILLUSTRATION OF CLASSISM IN A DISCUSSION THAT HAD GONE DOWN THE ROUTE OF DEBATING WHETHER SOMEBODY WAS WORTHY OF RESPECT BASED ON HOW PRIVILEGED OR UPPER CLASS SHE WAS
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your argument isn't improved by dumping it in capitals, luv.

e2a: how exactly do i struggle? are you not being dismissive here?
 
keithy said:
Apologies, I thought you were joking when you said you didn't get that. Here, let me spell it out:

It is misogynistic to reduce a woman's worth to whether you fancy her or not.
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No-one did that. A couple of people said they fancied her. No-one did this in a crude or sexist manner. No-one 'spouted misogyny'. You're allowed to say you fancy celebrities. I am anyway.
 
keithy said:
Your 'addition' being an irrelevent cricticism of my language which is a classic and well-recognised way that people dismiss working class people (and many other other oppressed groups, actually).

Just for clarity, as I know you struggle:

I WAS SAYING YOUR COMMENT SERVED AS A NEAT ILLUSTRATION OF CLASSISM IN A DISCUSSION THAT HAD GONE DOWN THE ROUTE OF DEBATING WHETHER SOMEBODY WAS WORTHY OF RESPECT BASED ON HOW PRIVILEGED OR UPPER CLASS SHE WAS
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and it's not improved by increasing the size of the capitals and putting it in pink
 
Spymaster said:
<Taps watch>

Are we going to see some evidence of this "rape apology", Bellend, or have you just forensically searched my posts on that thread and realised "oh, I've fucked right up here. What a silly Billy liar I've been :facepalm: "?

:D
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There are nineteen pages of you making arguments that make rape convictions harder, using the most specious grounds that you don't really understand (which is why and how Athos easily destroyed your post appeal argument). That's nineteen pages more than me making any argument about child porn.

Meanwhile you keep ontreating rape and child abuse as a joke, I'm sure it makes you feel very clever.
 
Orang Utan said:
not if it's something people who don't overindulge also die of
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I'm not really sure what you're on about OU. But I don't think the cause of death is yet known and when you've led such a high profile life because of your status as a wreckhead (she hardly hid in the shadows) its hardly surprising that people would comment on an untimely death.
 
Teaboy said:
OK. This is the nub of it. I really don't think anyone has said that, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. I've seen a few fuck her which I took in a I don't care sense rather than she deserved it. A few here also have a hatred of her class which is a different thing altogether. But where has anyone said she deserved to die because she was an addict?
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Your post earlier in the thread which talked about her brain tumour and early death being pay back for her cocaine addiction suggested she'd brought it upon herself.

As did the other posts about her choosing to get mullered and so on.
 
Its getting frankly bizarre in here. She was only famous because of her looks, her inherited wealth and her extraordinary habit. But no we really shouldn't comment about any of these things. Does anyone know what star sign she was? Maybe we should just talk about that.
 
belboid said:
There are nineteen pages of you making arguments that make rape convictions harder ...
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More lies, and the argument was very far from destroyed by anyone. In fact it was was supported by 3 appeal court judges. It was YOU who didn't understand what was being said!

Now, you said that I said "what happened wasn't really rape".

Do you now admit that this is a lie and that I said no such thing, and that on the contrary, I said it may well have been rape.

Can you admit that at least? Surely that shouldn't be too difficult for you.

You're a supporter of child pornography belboid .

Meanwhile you keep ontreating rape and child abuse as a joke
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Can you quote where I've done this please? Thanks.
 
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Teaboy said:
Its getting frankly bizarre in here. She was only famous because of her looks, her inherited wealth and her extraordinary habit. But no we really shouldn't comment about any of these things. Does anyone know what star sign she was? Maybe we should just talk about that.
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Again. Nobody has said we shouldn't talk about those things.
 
Thimble Queen said:
Your post earlier in the thread which talked about her brain tumour and early death being pay back for her cocaine addiction suggested she'd brought it upon herself.
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Not me guv. You've got the wrong one. I even said it may be unrelated and made a general comment about implications of a life of excess which I don't think is particularly controversial.

I've covered the other comments, I read them as far more so what rather than good. But if someone here has said she deserved it for being a coke head please point them out because I think that would be out of order. I just think there are several posters keen to call people out for what they think they are saying then what they actually are.
 
Teaboy said:
Not me guv. You've got the wrong one. I even said it may be unrelated and made a general comment about implications of a life of excess which I don't think is particularly controversial.

I've covered the other comments, I read them as far more so what rather than good. But if someone here has said she deserved it for being a coke head please point them out because I think that would be out of order. I just think there are several posters keen to call people out for what they think they are saying then what they actually are.
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This wasn't you then?

QUOTE="Teaboy, post: 14915936, member: 33885"]Yeah, you'd think that generally there must be some pay back for a life of excess.[/QUOTE]

You weren't the only one tbf :)
 
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