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Anyone who wants to see where I got my opinion on spymaster from can see it from his posts on the Ched Evans thread. You might consider them (my opinions) ott, but they are based on arguments actually made.
Another MASSIVE lie.

The argument I made was simply that given the woman involved had no recollection of the incident and didn't want the case prosecuted in the first place, it's virtually impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a rape took place even though it may well have done.

On that basis belboid, the hawker of child pornography, calls me a rape apologist.
 
You could clear it up really easily by saying, now, whether or not you think she was raped.
I don't know. As per the previous thread, she may well have been, but it was never proven beyond reasonable doubt. This was the opinion of the second jury too.
 
Yes. Preferably the case shouldn't have been brought (against the wishes of the alleged victim) in the first place. Had she made a complaint herself I'd have been 100% behind her.

For someone who purports solidarity with survivors of rape, you were awfully keen to see an expansive interpretation of the provisions which allow their sexual history to be dissected in court, which rape charities have explained is already having a direct detrimental impact on reporting.
 
[QUOTE="Athos, post: 14917594, member: 6092" ... you were awfully keen to see an expansive interpretation of the provisions which allow their sexual history to be dissected in court ...[/QUOTE]
If it's relevant it should be heard, if not it shouldn't. In this case it would never have been an issue if the police and CPS had not pressured the girl into supporting the prosecution against her will.
 
Yes. Preferably the case shouldn't have been brought (against the wishes of the alleged victim) in the first place. Had she made a complaint herself I'd have been 100% behind her.
that being the case, pa, where do you stand on the police ability to bring charges of domestick violence where no complaint has been made by the victim?
 
If it's relevant it should be heard, if not it shouldn't. In this case it would never have been an issue if the police and CPS had not pressured the girl into supporting the prosecution against her will.
And you favour an expensive interpretation of relevance, which allows a woman's sexual history to be dissected. That had deterred reporting. It will mean that fewer than the current 1% of rapes result in conviction. And so it will result in more women being raped.
 
And you favour an expensive interpretation of relevance, which allows a woman's sexual history to be dissected.
I think there are circumstances where it may be relevant and the law already allows for this in those exceptional circumstances.
 
that being the case, pa, where do you stand on the police ability to bring charges of domestick violence where no complaint has been made by the victim?
Dunno son. Never thought much about it. I'd have to read up a bit before forming an opinion. My immediate thought though, is that a complaint should be brought by the victim or someone else who witnessed the incident. Not the police. Prepared to be convinced otherwise though.
 
No. As I recall, that was part that I realised I had misread and withdrew.
No. It was other parts of what you'd misunderstood that you eventually withdrew. You remained (and, presumably, remain?) supportive of the Court of Appeal's interpretation of s.41, notwithstanding what that means for women who have been raped.
 
You remained (and, presumably, remain?) supportive of the Court of Appeal's interpretation of s.41...
Then I can't remember. I'll have a look later if you can chuck me a link to the part you're referring to. Pretty sure that I eventually agreed that the the new evidence shouldn't have been allowed but the case shouldn't have been brought in the first place. Whatever's the case I was not defending rape and the only reason that Bellend has said that I was (apart from that he's a thick cunt), is because we have heavy beef going back years.
 
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yes, it's the 'v' thing which prevents a resolution. it is NOT thes cheese versus beans which excites the taste buds but the mingling of the flavours, which is why the only correct answer is 'simultaneous': cheese et beans, not cheese versus beans. Badgers
Okay then, what about plane v conveyor belt?
 
Then I can't remember. I'll have a look later if you can chuck me a link to the part you're referring to. Pretty sure that I eventually agreed that the the new evidence shouldn't have been allowed but the case shouldn't have been brought in the first place. Whatever's the case I was not defending rape and the only reason that Bellend has said that I was, is because we have heavy beef going back years.

No. Absolutely not. You were adamant that the CoA was right to allow the new evidence (which the witnesses hadn't mentioned the first time, but recalled after Evans' version of events was in the public domain and the reward had been offered). This was notwithstanding the effect on the woman in this case i.e. that her sex life was publicly dissected, or the effect on other women who've been raped, of such an expansive interpretation of s.41.

It's all there on the long Evans thread.
 
No. Absolutely not. You were adamant that the CoA was right to allow the new evidence (which the witnesses hadn't mentioned the first time, but recalled after Evans' version of events was in the public domain and the reward had been offered). This was notwithstanding the effect on the woman in this case i.e. that her sex life was publicly dissected, or the effect on other women who've been raped, of such an expansive interpretation of s.41.

It's all there on the long Evans thread.
Well I've just been looking for it and can't find it past me ultimately agreeing with you that it had no probitive value and withdrawing that part of the argument. As I said, happy to revisit it if you can post or PM me a link to the part you mean.

To be clear, my current position is that the case shouldn't have been brought in the first place, and that the CofA shouldn't have allowed the new evidence that led to the second.
 
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