farewell tara palmer-tomkinson

[Spymaster]

You have no interest in any of this, do you? Not the rapist Evans or the dead posho. It's all just an excuse for you to follow your sad, pathetic, vendettas.

I have as much interest as anyone else, Bellend. I won't pretend that winding the fuck out of a cunt like you in the process doesn't give me a shit load of fun though!!!

 

[belboid]

Bellend has edited his post (and he has the cheek to call me dishonest).

It originally began with "Fuck off you rape apologist cunt".

He's edited it because he knows it's another of his lies that he cannot substantiate.

No I edited it because I didn't want another thread going down such a pointless route. I am quite happy to repeat exactly why I still believe you are a rape apologist- you tried to say an act that was, imo, rape wasn't any such thing. And that excuses rape.

Now, show me where I defended child porn, or went 'ohh that picture of a drunk naked child isn't really porn' as you're claiming.

 

[belboid]

I have as much interest as anyone else, Bellend. I won't pretend that winding the fuck out of a cunt like you in the process doesn't give me a shit load of fun though!!!

Yeah, rape and child abuse, just a good laugh innit?

 

[Spymaster]

... you tried to say an act that was, imo, rape wasn't any such thing. And that excuses rape.

Err, nope. More lies. That just didn't happen. Did you even read the thread that you are referring to?

 

[Spymaster]

Now, show me where I defended child porn ...

I'll do that when you show me where I defended rape.

 

[nogojones]

The celeb RIP threads on Urban are always the best

 

[Spymaster]

Yeah, rape and child abuse, just a good laugh innit?

They're not, not at all. But you are.

 

[Ax^]

this is going well

 

[Pickman's model]

The celeb RIP threads on Urban are always the best

you're right, nog #urbanatitsfinest

 

[nogojones]

you're right, nog #urbanatitsfinest

I'm going to search out the least offensive celeb that's died recently, dig up the thread and cunt them out for the lulz

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm going to search out the least offensive celeb that's died recently, dig up the thread and cunt them out for the lulz

yeh disinter them as the hunt sabs did the duke of beaufort

 

[Wilf]

Shall we remember this next time a middle class white urbanite dies from drug related causes?

I detest Tara PT's class and everything she stood for. I think it's also fair enough to say her lifestyle was pointless, offensive even. But then to be honest about it, she died after a serious illness and by one report I saw yesterday might have been undiscovered for several days in her apartment post mortem. It's not just a lack of glee, to use the term being, ahem, 'discussed' over the last couple of pages, it's actually very sad. Yes, I'm not affected by her death but it is still pretty shitty. And I think you are spot on about anyone blaming her drug use for her death, it would be hypocritical... though, as others have said, while there was a bit of sailing close to the wind I'm not sure anyone one this thread quite said that.

Sorry, this is a bit waffly, but it is a waffly subject - you shouldn't actually have hard edged views on this. 99% of the time I'll rejoice when any amount of shit comes the way of the real monsters - thatcher, savile, Pinochet, take your pick. But even then, Thatcher lapsed into dementia, my dad has dementia... what's the correct formulation there then? Well, maybe just that I hated her then and hate her now - for what she did.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Liked but I'm not clear on the bit about thatcher Wilf

 

[Pickman's model]

Shall we remember this next time a middle class white urbanite dies from drug related causes?

i do hope so. wouldn't want to think our memories are atrophying.

whether anyone brings it up, now that's a different story.

 

[keithy]

Nice one. Thanks for your addition regarding class difference and privilege by being pedantic about my use of language. Neat.

 

[Teaboy]

Nice one. Thanks for your addition regarding class difference and privilege by being pedantic about my use of language. Neat.

I think you may have misread Pickman's like you've misread a lot of this thread.

 

[keithy]

Oh, can you enlighten me then re: the point of that message if not to be pedantic about language?

 

[keithy]

As for misreading a lot of this thread, I disagree. I have reacted to actual posts by actual people saying actual things that I think are disrespectful and hypocritical.

Interesting that so many people are so invested in defending their comments about a person's early death being inevitable because of drug use (which is what I initially was responding to). Using her social class and privilege as justification for those comments is bullshit, I think.

Try changing the world for the better with that kind of humanity. Really.

 

[Wilf]

Liked but I'm not clear on the bit about thatcher Wilf

Sorry, yes, it wasn't very clear. Suppose I'm trying to get into how you merge normal human reactions to someone's death and suffering with your political judgement on who they were and what they did (in the case of Thatcher et al). I joined in with all the fuck off, good riddance, rot in hell celebrations when she died. But then even with Thatcher there was a nagging doubt, particularly when there was the odd comment about her being 'gaga' or similar. Oh, I dunno, things are emotionally complicated is all I'm saying. It jars a bit with me to hear celebrations of suffering at the point at which someone is very vulnerable, even if that person has themselves inflicted massive suffering on others. Maybe that's just because people you know have had the same conditions. AKA I'd be delighted to see Trump getting his arsed kicked by a group of migrants, but I wouldn't wish cancer on him. Sorry, really am waffling how - and I'm not suggesting people on this thread have really been celebrating anything - just trying to get to the point of saying it really is a messy emotional arena.

 

[belboid]

Shall we remember this next time a middle class white urbanite dies from drug related causes?

Maybe it will depend on whether they've done anything else with their life. If they, like the dead posho, have done nothing else, then I won't care about them either.

 

[maomao]

I have reacted to actual posts by actual people saying actual things that I think are disrespectful and hypocritical.

You accused people of 'spouting misogyny' and failed to substantiate it. That wasn't actual posts by actual people because it didn't happen.

 

[keithy]

Apologies, I thought you were joking when you said you didn't get that. Here, let me spell it out:

It is misogynistic to reduce a woman's worth to whether you fancy her or not.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Sorry, yes, it wasn't very clear. Suppose I'm trying to get into how you merge normal human reactions to someone's death and suffering with your political judgement on who they were and what they did (in the case of Thatcher et al). I joined in with all the fuck off, good riddance, rot in hell celebrations when she died. But then even with Thatcher there was a nagging doubt, particularly when there was the odd comment about her being 'gaga' or similar. Oh, I dunno, things are emotionally complicated is all I'm saying. It jars a bit with me to hear celebrations of suffering at the point at which someone is very vulnerable, even if that person has themselves inflicted massive suffering on others. Maybe that's just because people you know have had the same conditions. AKA I'd be delighted to see Trump getting his arsed kicked by a group of migrants, but I wouldn't wish cancer on him. Sorry, really am waffling how - and I'm not suggesting people on this thread have really been celebrating anything - just trying to get to the point of saying it really is a messy emotional arena.

I wouldn't wish cancer or dementia on anyone (had both in my family, as it turns out my, not married to each other, uncle and aunt both died in the last four weeks - uncle due to cancer and my aunt after a long struggle with dementia) but I'm not sorry that thatcher suffered or that she died. I went to the thatchers dead parties, along with many others. Thatcher caused suffering to so many people so I think she's fair game. Its catharsis for some to celebrate and be glad. I can't see that with TPT she probably did more harm to herself than anyone else.

 

[Pickman's model]

Nice one. Thanks for your addition regarding class difference and privilege by being pedantic about my use of language. Neat.

what you seem to be complaining of is being taken at your word.

 

[Teaboy]

Oh, can you enlighten me then re: the point of that message if not to be pedantic about language?

I think he was making a joke / rye observation about about language in general not your language. I really don't think it was a dig at you.

As for misreading a lot of this thread, I disagree. I have reacted to actual posts by actual people saying actual things that I think are disrespectful and hypocritical.

Interesting that so many people are so invested in defending their comments about a person's early death being inevitable because of drug use (which is what I initially was responding to). Using her social class and privilege as justification for those comments is bullshit, I think.

Try changing the world for the better with that kind of humanity. Really.

As I said earlier the only reason any of us have heard of her is because she was born into extreme wealth, was very beautiful and was a massive cokehead. What else is their to discuss apart from this? That was her fame, in a way that was her to us.

 

[Pickman's model]

As for misreading a lot of this thread, I disagree. I have reacted to actual posts by actual people saying actual things that I think are disrespectful and hypocritical.

Interesting that so many people are so invested in defending their comments about a person's early death being inevitable because of drug use (which is what I initially was responding to). Using her social class and privilege as justification for those comments is bullshit, I think.

Try changing the world for the better with that kind of humanity. Really.

yeh. well, i haven't commented on her drug use, or her social class or her privilege. or her looks or her worth, nor even whether i fancied her. so i'll thank you not to take that tone with me.

 

[Orang Utan]

she died of cancer, not a drug overdose. i hope if i die of cancer, people don't think it's appropriate to comment on my lifestyle

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh, can you enlighten me then re: the point of that message if not to be pedantic about language?

yes.

 

[keithy]

I think he was making a joke / rye observation about about language in general not your language. I really don't think it was a dig at you.



As I said earlier the only reason any of us have heard of her is because she was born into extreme wealth, was very beautiful and was a massive cokehead. What else is their to discuss apart from this? That was her fame, in a way that was her to us.

My first post on this thread was that people were making assumptions about why she had died as though it was inevitable she would die young due to her drug addiction earlier in her life. I think that when somebody has died - and let's not forget that the story so far is that she had this brain tumour - why even go down that route? Deserving/undeserving etc. It's really shitty and then people going on to argue the toss based on her social class just cemented that for me.

Just because this woman was only known to you for her wealth, beauty and cocaine addiction does not mean that was all she was to herself or to people who actually knew her.

I pointed out the hypocrisy because I think people would be fucking upset and angry if the exact same logic was applied to people they saw as humans rather than objects.

 

[Thimble Queen]

As I said earlier the only reason any of us have heard of her is because she was born into extreme wealth, was very beautiful and was a massive cokehead. What else is their to discuss apart from this? That was her fame, in a way that was her to us.

Again, no one is saying that we should pretend she's anything she wasn't. But suggesting she got what she deserved bc she struggled with drug addiction is fucking well harsh.