Ecuador would like Julian Assange out of their embassy by the sounds of it.

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Is he just going to carry on sitting in the embassy for years then paid for presumably by Ecuador? Not even going to break the tedium by attempting a daring escape in a laundry van or anything. Rubbish.

Yeah, it’s well funny inn’it.

 

[squirrelp]

Black mask and tools in the boot. Unhindered. Because he - in your juvenile reading - opposes what you think is power.

Have you not heard of wikileaks?

 

[butchersapron]

Have you not heard of wikileaks?

Yes, i have. I contest a) that it's existence doesn't mean that someone connected with it can do what they want with no legal comeback and b) that it's impact is inflated - often to it's detriment - by provable nasty loons like you.

 

[squirrelp]

Yes, i have. I contest a) that it's existence doesn't mean that someone connected with it can do what they want with no legal comeback and b) that it's impact is inflated - often to it's detriment - by provable nasty loons like you.

Oh I get it!

Julian Assange and wikileaks are nothing. The true hero against state and corporate abuses is you, butchersapron, as a keyboard warrior on urban75!

How did I not see this

 

[butchersapron]

Oh I get it!

Julian Assange and wikileaks are nothing. The real warrior against state and corporate abuses is you, butchersapron, as a keyboard warrior on urban75!

How did I not see this

And now you've ran out of loon steam.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Just fuck off, squirrelp.

 

[bimble]

Yeah, it’s well funny inn’it.

I don't know if you're being sarcy or not but got to admit i do find it funny now, its so ridiculous.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I don't know if you're being sarcy or not but got to admit i do find it funny now, its so ridiculous.

I’m serious, I think we should work hard to keep him there forever, all at his own free will of course. I used to dream of doing the same with them Big Brother twonks, tell ‘em the public adores them and wants to see more of them, see how long the twats volunteer to stay there. All with the cameras turned off and nothing being broadcast of course

 

[Ralph Llama]

Oh I get it!

Julian Assange and wikileaks are nothing. The true hero against state and corporate abuses is you, butchersapron, as a keyboard warrior on urban75!

How did I not see this

Just check out the anti-Semitic stuff.

 

[elbows]

So what?

This objection to him is entirely to do with personalities and nothing to do with his work objectively. That has nothing to do with justice. It is no justification to want someone to spend the rest of their lives in a maximum security US jail because you don't like their face or think they aren't as saintly a whistleblower as you want them to be.

Actually my original objections to Assange, which I remember developing over quite a long period, were very much to do with his work and a variety of worrying attitudes he had towards information, eg issues of ownership, control and profit from information that was entrusted to him by whistleblowers. As I promised earlier, I will try to dig up various specifics at some point. This was before the Sweden stuff came up.

 

[squirrelp]

Actually my original objections to Assange, which I remember developing over quite a long period, were very much to do with his work and a variety of worrying attitudes he had towards information, eg issues of ownership, control and profit from information that was entrusted to him by whistleblowers. As I promised earlier, I will try to dig up various specifics at some point. This was before the Sweden stuff came up.

eh? I have spoken to at least one whistleblower that wished they had wikileaks to leak to at the time. wikileaks has never been shown to have leaked a false document, and has never compromised a source. Where's the beef?

 

[elbows]

There is all sorts of beef on the menu but I dont expect you to care about any of it.

Personally it was cumulative beef over many years that added up to a picture of a very unhealthy attitude towards information, quite contrary to the values we might expect of an org with a mission to spread whistleblowing info. And that was long before more complicating angles like the relationship with Russia and attempts to cuddle up to Trump.

I dont have the best of the historical beef yet, havent found the right links, but here is some mid-period beef about shit gagging contracts Assange tried to get wikileaks staff to sign.

WikiLeaks, get out of the gagging game | James Ball

 

[elbows]

And dont forget the more recent comedy.

“Hey Don. We have an unusual idea,” WikiLeaks wrote on October 21, 2016. “Leak us one or more of your father’s tax returns.” WikiLeaks then laid out three reasons why this would benefit both the Trumps and WikiLeaks. One, The New York Times had already published a fragment of Trump’s tax returns on October 1; two, the rest could come out any time “through the most biased source (e.g. NYT/MSNBC).”

It is the third reason, though, WikiLeaks wrote, that “is the real kicker.” “If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality,” WikiLeaks explained. “That means that the vast amount of stuff that we are publishing on Clinton will have much higher impact, because it won’t be perceived as coming from a ‘pro-Trump’ ‘pro-Russia’ source.” It then provided an email address and link where the Trump campaign could send the tax returns, and adds, “The same for any other negative stuff (documents, recordings) that you think has a decent chance of coming out. Let us put it out.”

The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks

 

[butchersapron]

There is all sorts of beef on the menu but I dont expect you to care about any of it.

Personally it was cumulative beef over many years that added up to a picture of a very unhealthy attitude towards information, quite contrary to the values we might expect of an org with a mission to spread whistleblowing info. And that was long before more complicating angles like the relationship with Russia and attempts to cuddle up to Trump.

I dont have the best of the historical beef yet, havent found the right links, but here is some mid-period beef about shit gagging contracts Assange tried to get wikileaks staff to sign.

WikiLeaks, get out of the gagging game | James Ball

Enclosing info and parcelling it and selling it - for money or influence whilst repressing stuff that might impact on them or political outcomes they decide are not what the world needs. Those needs of course are assange's and a worldview that's relentlessly libertarian and market driven - and the market as freedom. Hence the enclosure and parcelling and sale of 'leaks'.

 

[Ralph Llama]

He's being selfish because he doesn't want to be waterboarded hundreds of times and face the rest of his life in an orange jumpsuit? In which case, I'd be selfish too! Besides, I'd like him to be out and about carrying on his work unhindered.

+ He is a good hacker. Spilling Chelsea Mannings footage definitely did change a lot in world media. Top work in Iceland

- He is a rampant egotist (mismanagement) . He has been outed as anti-Semitic by Ian Hislop. He can not handle the pressure of world politics.

If he was any kind of leader he would take the martyr option and get tortured to death to further the cause, yet instead he seems to think that he is the only one who can save the world and thusly his life is more important than the movement. He is definitely delusional..... you would have to have some kind of strength of character not to be in his position, and he does not.

 

[butchersapron]

+ He is a good hacker. Spilling Chelsea Mannings footage definitely did change a lot in world media. Top work in Iceland

What did he personally hack?

 

[Ralph Llama]

As Mendax he stopped a space launch for environmental reasons(or more likely to show off)

 

[Yossarian]

Is he just going to carry on sitting in the embassy for years then paid for presumably by Ecuador? Not even going to break the tedium by attempting a daring escape in a laundry van or anything. Rubbish.

Assange might be paying his own way - WikiLeaks has apparently become extremely wealthy thanks to some large donations in Bitcoin before the price of Bitcoin exploded - though the organisation's finances are, of course, shrouded in secrecy.

Where Did WikiLeaks’ $25 Million Bitcoin Fortune Go?

 

[butchersapron]

As Mendax he stopped a space launch for environmental reasons(or more likely to show off)

You really need to start reading other stuff.

 

[butchersapron]

P

Assange might be paying his own way - WikiLeaks has apparently become extremely wealthy thanks to some large donations in Bitcoin before the price of Bitcoin exploded - though the organisation's finances are, of course, shrouded in secrecy.

Where Did WikiLeaks’ $25 Million Bitcoin Fortune Go?

Probably soros.

 

[Ralph Llama]

You really need to start reading other stuff.

Oh yer. He was working with two others.
`International Subversives`
Still pretty impressive.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh yer. He was working with two others.
`International Subversives`
Still pretty impressive.

I meant in terms of learning what is bullshit.

 

[Ralph Llama]

Assange reflects on his work as a black hat hacker in the early 1990s, recalling wistfully how he and others hacked into the Pentagon’s Security Coordination Center. The SCC was a Chantilly, Virginia, office that handled computer security issues for MilNet — later NIPRNet — the U.S. military’s portion of the public internet.

“We had a backdoor in the U.S. military Security Coordination Center –- this is the peak security for controlling the security of MilNet … U.S. military internet. We had total control over this for two years,” he tells the interviewer.

A backdoor refers to a malicious tool that hackers place on a network, once they’ve gained entry, to provide them with easy and continued surreptitious access to the network, allowing them to come and go at will.

The Defense Department did not immediately respond to an inquiry about the decades-old hack. The statute of limitations, it should be noted, has long since expired.

The intrusion was previously mentioned in an early version of Assange’s bio published by WikiLeaks when the site launched in 2006, which reads in part: “As a teenager he became Australia’s most famous ethical computer hacker. After referrals from the United States government his phone was tapped in 1991, and he spent six years in court. He hacked thousand of systems, including the Pentagon and the U.S. military Security Coordination Center.”

Video: The Time Julian Assange Hacked the Pentagon

First hit I got.

 

[squirrelp]

I dont have the best of the historical beef yet, havent found the right links, but here is some mid-period beef about shit gagging contracts Assange tried to get wikileaks staff to sign.

WikiLeaks, get out of the gagging game | James Ball

Ironic, yes, but I'd be inclined to give an organisation devoted to whistleblowing a massive amount of slack there. If I was leaking something to wikileaks I'd want them to be as institutionally as secret as possible.

 

[squirrelp]

“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”

Malcolm X

 

[butchersapron]

Meaningless

 

[Smangus]

Ironic, yes, but I'd be inclined to give an organisation devoted to whistleblowing a massive amount of slack there. If I was leaking something to wikileaks I'd want them to be as institutionally as secret as possible.

A masterfully disingenuous piece of logic. Congratulations on your double standards.

Assange is a self serving dickhead. You are a sucker, like the mugs that stumped up the bail money for him so he could fuck off and do Mussolini impressions from the Ecaudorian embassy balcony, for 5 years. He fucked them over big time, he's still fucking you over.

 

[elbows]

A masterfully disingenuous piece of logic. Congratulations on your double standards.

Assange is a self serving dickhead. You are a sucker, like the mugs that stumped up the bail money for him so he could fuck off and do Mussolini impressions from the Ecaudorian embassy balcony, for 5 years. He fucked them over big time, he's still fucking you over.

The self-serving stuff is taken to comic lengths too. One of my recent favourites:

Trump Jr. did not respond to these messages either, but WikiLeaks was undeterred. “Hi Don. Hope you’re doing well!” WikiLeaks wrote on December 16 to Trump Jr., who was by then the son of the president-elect. “In relation to Mr. Assange: Obama/Clinton placed pressure on Sweden, UK and Australia (his home country) to illicitly go after Mr. Assange. It would be real easy and helpful for your dad to suggest that Australia appoint Assange ambassador to [Washington,] DC.”

WikiLeaks even imagined how Trump might put it: “‘That’s a real smart tough guy and the most famous australian [sic] you have!’ or something similar,” WikiLeaks wrote. “They won’t do it but it will send the right signals to Australia, UK + Sweden to start following the law and stop bending it to ingratiate themselves with the Clintons.”

 

[Ralph Llama]

They are obviously taking the piss Not exactly evidence of self serving .

 

[rekil]

eh? I have spoken to at least one whistleblower

I bet this 'whistleblower' had important information about Saddam's secret teleporters to Mars or something. A real thing in this loon's shitty world.