Ecuador would like Julian Assange out of their embassy by the sounds of it.

[Ralph Llama]

I think this argument has at least 2 sides. If people could leave their ego`s at the door, we might get somewhere. Remember... arrogance comes before a fall.

 

[elbows]

Enclosing info and parcelling it and selling it - for money or influence whilst repressing stuff that might impact on them or political outcomes they decide are not what the world needs. Those needs of course are assange's and a worldview that's relentlessly libertarian and market driven - and the market as freedom. Hence the enclosure and parcelling and sale of 'leaks'.

I've not found the old interview that revealed his attitudes towards profiting from information, but I did find some of the market stuff.

Would you call yourself a free market proponent?

Absolutely. I have mixed attitudes towards capitalism, but I love markets. Having lived and worked in many countries, I can see the tremendous vibrancy in, say, the Malaysian telecom sector compared to U.S. sector. In the U.S. everything is vertically integrated and sewn up, so you don’t have a free market. In Malaysia, you have a broad spectrum of players, and you can see the benefits for all as a result.

How do your leaks fit into that?

To put it simply, in order for there to be a market, there has to be information. A perfect market requires perfect information.

There's the famous lemon example in the used car market. It's hard for buyers to tell lemons from good cars, and sellers can't get a good price, even when they have a good car.

By making it easier to see where the problems are inside of companies, we identify the lemons. That means there's a better market for good companies. For a market to be free, people have to know who they're dealing with.

You've developed a reputation as anti-establishment and anti-institution.

Not at all. Creating a well-run establishment is a difficult thing to do, and I've been in countries where institutions are in a state of collapse, so I understand the difficulty of running a company. Institutions don't come from nowhere.

It's not correct to put me in any one philosophical or economic camp, because I've learned from many. But one is American libertarianism, market libertarianism. So as far as markets are concerned I'm a libertarian, but I have enough expertise in politics and history to understand that a free market ends up as monopoly unless you force them to be free.

WikiLeaks is designed to make capitalism more free and ethical.

An Interview With WikiLeaks' Julian Assange

 

[Ralph Llama]

He is talking about the actually ideal of capitalism ( which would be good ) as apposed to the current Industrial Feudalism which people label as Capitalism.

 

[NoXion]

He is talking about the actually ideal of capitalism ( which would be good ) as apposed to the current Industrial Feudalism which people label as Capitalism.

Funny viewpoint for an anarchist to have. I mean real anarchists, not ancaps.

 

[Ralph Llama]

That is genuinely hilarious ! Why do you post in the political section NoXion?

Edit.
Sorry that was rude. I was just afraid of being dragged into another session where I have to repeat everything 5 times

Julian Assange is an anarchist. He is just being clever by not mentioning you would have to overthrow industrial Feudalism to establish actual Capitalism.

Actual capitalism would be a massive step forward. Anarchists generally agree on this.

 

[NoXion]

That is genuinely hilarious ! Why do you post in the political section NoXion?

Edit.
Sorry that was rude. I was just afraid of being dragged into another session where I have to repeat everything 5 times

Julian Assange is an anarchist. He is just being clever by not mentioning you would have to overthrow industrial Feudalism to establish actual Capitalism.

Actual capitalism would be a massive step forward. Anarchists generally agree on this.

Prove it. Because I've seen the exact same point made by "anarcho"-capitalists. They use terms like "crony capitalism" to describe the current system, and blame its shortcomings on that basis.

All of which ignores the fact that many of the biggest problems with capitalism are down to the private ownership of the means of production. Which applies to all kinds of capitalism, "crony" or otherwise.

 

[Ralph Llama]

Prove what ? Ffs your like a fucking child !

 

[rekil]

He's always been a Ron Paul worshipping shithead.

Speaking of the rift between the majority of Republican lawmakers and the libertarians more closely aligned in ethos of the Pauls, Assange said, “It will be the driver that shifts the United States around.”

“It’s not going to come from the Democrats, it’s not going to come from Ralph Nader, it’s not going to come from the co-opted parts of the Republican Party,” Assange said. “The only hope as far as electoral politics… presently, is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

 

[NoXion]

Prove what ? Ffs your like a fucking child !

Prove that anarchists generally agree that "actual capitalism" would be a step forward. Also, stop throwing a temper tantrum every time someone asks you to back up your assertions with evidence. That is childish.

 

[Ralph Llama]

You need to educate yourself. You are incredibly ignorant on all the subjects you post on in the political section. I'm not going to do it.

 

[NoXion]

You need to educate yourself. You are incredibly ignorant on all the subjects you post on in the political section. I'm not going to do it.

A bunch of anarchists here don't seem to agree with you at all. Unless you provide a counter-example, I think everyone reading this thread can safely assume that you are Billy Bullshitter.

 

[NoXion]

You need to educate yourself. You are incredibly ignorant on all the subjects you post on in the political section. I'm not going to do it.

Also this:

While opposition to the state is central,[11] anarchism specifically entails opposing authority or hierarchical organisation in the conduct of all human relations.[12][13][14] Anarchism is usually considered a far-left ideology[15][16] and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflects anti-authoritarian interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism or participatory economics.[17]

 

[Ralph Llama]

your now ignored

 

[Spymaster]

your now ignored

That's an interesting way to concede defeat!

 

[Ralph Llama]

Defeat ? Sorry was there a contest ... i did not realise.

 

[NoXion]

your now ignored

Cowardly bullshitting cunt. This is why I think the ignore function is absolutely shit.

 

[mojo pixy]

Actual capitalism would be a massive step forward. Anarchists generally agree on this.

Hippies are not anarchists. I know they usually claim to be but they aren't. And for this statement of yours to be true, you must mean hippies. If you mean anarchists then the whole thing is inside-out-upside-down wrong. Not even wrong, actually. Too wrong to even begin to argue with.

 

[Pickman's model]

your now ignored

Now you're ignorant

 

[Pickman's model]

A bunch of anarchists here don't seem to agree with you at all. Unless you provide a counter-example, I think everyone reading this thread can safely assume that you are Billy Bullshitter.

billy nomates-bullshitter

 

[NoXion]

Now you're ignorant

Worse still, wilfully so.

 

[Ralph Llama]

Sorry ... did somebody say something?

Just saw this in a post from Sirena on the other thread:

GETTING JULIAN ASSANGE: THE UNTOLD STORY

 

[Pickman's model]

Prove what ? Ffs your like a fucking child !

Ageism ill becomes you

 

[Pickman's model]

Sorry ... did somebody say something?

Just saw this in a post from Sirena on the other thread:

GETTING JULIAN ASSANGE: THE UNTOLD STORY

Yeh? And what do you think of the piece?

 

[Ralph Llama]

Hippies are not anarchists. I know they usually claim to be but they aren't. And for this statement of yours to be true, you must mean hippies. If you mean anarchists then the whole thing is inside-out-upside-down wrong. Not even wrong, actually. Too wrong to even begin to argue with.

Is Chomsky a hippy?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is Chomsky a hippy?

You said anarchists

 

[NoXion]

Ageism ill becomes you

The questions children ask can actually be very pertinent.

 

[Ralph Llama]

Well I think that. Chomsky thinks that. Assange thinks that. That`s at least three

 

[Wilf]

Is Chomsky a hippy?

I think you need to give up while you are ahead a country mile behind.

 

[Spymaster]

This is why I think the ignore function is absolutely shit.

It's worked in your favour here. He's blown himself to bits.

 

[NoXion]

Well I think that. Chomsky thinks that. Assange thinks that. That`s at least three

You can't generalise an entire political movement from three individuals. Try citing a work popular among anarchists.