If the arrest warrant is unlawful, as the UN panel for abitrary detention found, it effects an unlawful detention to someone who is effectively imprisoned in avoiding it.
Ecuador would like Julian Assange out of their embassy by the sounds of it.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
WTF have you lot of pedantic oddballs got against poor old Julian ? 
(apart from the hygiene)
Do you thin he is a rapist and a pedo ?
(apart from the hygiene)Do you thin he is a rapist and a pedo ?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Which, in an odd quirk of logic, means he is not guilty of anything ever. In fact, shouldn't ever be tried for anything ever.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They have no power to declare what is lawful or not. They are an irrelevance.
It's not unlawful. It has been held in a UK court to be lawful and that is the end of the matter as the UN oddball committee has no legal jurisdiction and I'm sure you know why that is. This is fact. You are appealing to something that doesn't exist.
This is exactly where the line of reasoning goes. He hasn't been charged so he is being detained but there is no way he can be charged. Bizarro world
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I'm gonna lobby Trump to put in an extradition warrant for him. Keep the fucker in that embassy forever.
Nor do you. Does not make you irrelevant though.
WTF have you lot of pedantic oddballs got against poor old Julian ?
Do you thin he is a rapist and a pedo ?
Me? Not much.
I think something dodgy happened in Sweden, what I don't know. My feeling is that the laws of the land should apply to him as it does to you and I. He doesn't, he thinks it shouldn't apply to him - it would be interesting to see how far he could push this. Maybe he should go on a shoplifting spree and retire back to embassy.
I refer you to the Craig Murray quote posted earlier:
The UK and Swedish governments both participated fully, and at great expense to their taxpayers, in this UN process which is a mechanism that both recognise. States including Iran, Burma and Russia have released prisoners following determination by this UN panel, which consists not of politicians or diplomats but of some of the world’s most respected lawyers, who are not representing their national governments.
Countries who have ignored rulings by this UN panel are rare. No democracy has ever done so. Recent examples are Egypt and Uzbekistan. The UK is putting itself in pretty company.
It would be an act of extraordinary dereliction by the UK and Swedish governments to accept the authority of the tribunal, participate fully in the process, and then refuse to accept the outcome.
A UK courtroom which does have the power, has declared it lawful.
Who were you btw before I carry on with this?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It makes any case based on their ability to make law irrelevant.
gosub
~#
Would you include the potential ones in the States?.... Having watched The Post last month, the precident is there to get off, assuming he published responsibily.... His supporters seem to be coming from a point of view that he can do what the fuck he likes as if he was above the law...
Chelsea Manning was the victim in all this.
You are posting tautological fallacies. It's for your benefit that we carry on, not mine.
This would make sense if he was being detained but he's not. You yourself have admitted as much. The UK government has no ability to release him because they are not holding him, he is.
Now, if you were to make an argument that his subsequent arrest was legally dubious or politically motivated then that would be a valid discussion, but when the insistence is that he is being held when he manifestly isn't there really isn't anywhere to go. You are arguing that black is white.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
A statement followed by an example is not a tautology. Or, at least, it's a sound logical explanation of why an external factor is irrelevant as it circumscribes what is the legitimate legal field of action and who the single legitimate legal actor is.
fairplay
Would be a nice bit of slander... if it was a piece of slander though. He IMO is one of the most influential anti-capitalists on the planet. It would really ruin it if he turned out to be a rapey git. I`m guessing(educated) he`s innocent of rape.
If I was him and I was innocent... i would try and clear this up. Even if he is tortured to death by the CIA he would attain martyr status, furthering the movement.
He is being selfish.
Would be a nice bit of slander... if it was a piece of slander though. He IMO is one of the most influential anti-capitalists on the planet. It would really ruin it if he turned out to be a rapey git. I`m guessing(educated) he`s innocent of rape.
If I was him and I was innocent... i would try and clear this up. Even if he is tortured to death by the CIA he would attain martyr status, furthering the movement.
He is being selfish.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He's a pro-capitalist rapey anti-semite mysgonist. Not an anti-capitalist rapey anti-semite mysgonist,
Odd, why are you trying to shut down the discussion - I thought we wanted this stuff all out in the open? I have UK law, a court decision and a dictionary definition of 'detained'. You have, err, Craig Murray - an unhinged loon and a view from an irrelevant UN group, who, I would really like to know what their line of thinking is and how they arrived at their decision. Unfortunately you're not much help on this because you keep insisting black is white.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
Everything's coming up Milhouse on this thread I see. Is there any point? Those who defend Assange do so on the basis of faith. You can't reason with that shit 
- antisemetic ? I totally missed that one! I will now spend an hour digging into that. Pro-capitalist ? again i`m going to have to do some research.
Everything's coming up Milhouse on this thread I see. Is there any point? Those who defend Assange do so on the basis of faith. You can't reason with that shit
Everybody does everything on the basis of faith.
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
I don't believe you
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Don't encourage the fucking loon.
Burn the unbeliever !
Good point
*ahem
everybody is a deluded ideologically fuck muppet.
better?
Good point
*ahem
everybody is a deluded ideologically fuck muppet.
better?
bimble
floofy
Nope. Just like not all points of view are equally absurd. See for instance flat earthers or squirrelp.
Busted. That was a shit statement which sounded clever... I should have just made the point .
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