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Ecuador would like Julian Assange out of their embassy by the sounds of it.

cheesethief said:
I almost stopped reading after the second word - if this chap wants to be taken seriously & be considered impartial, writing judge in inverted commas is not a sensible way to start. He might as well have written "so called judge" whilst pouting with his tongue out...

And what does the fact that the judge's husband went to Eton have to do with the validity of her ruling? Could this bloke possibly be any more ad hominen? How about attacking the ruling, on the ruling's merits, rather than the person making it? Maybe she's a total posh cunt who deserves a good kicking, quite frankly I couldn't care less, I'm more interested in what she said & whether that stands up to scrutiny.
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The bloke’s a fuckwit. Every word of her judgement was pretty much spot on. As regards his witterings on the allegations, it’s all based on what he and Assange say, not on any indisputable evidence which is how he presents it. Typical conspiracy nonsense.

You’re right about putting judge and lady in inverted commas too. Straight out of the playground and drives a coach and horses through the credibility of everything that follows.
 
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squirrelp said:
This was never about a rape charge as anyone who has followed Craig Murray's blog rather than mainstream media sources will be highly cognisant of. It has EVERYTHING to do with Assange being a huge thorn in the USA war machine.

That is why our prosecution service was pressurising the Swedes not to drop the arrest warrant back in 2013

That is why our justice system totally ignores the UN declaration that Assange is a political prisoner

This is why the condom allegedly used during the rape had no DNA from Assange on it (errr... tricky that one)

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yeh. this would be the julian assange who is mates with nigel farage who is mates with donald trump. Trump-Russia inquiry is told Nigel Farage may have given Julian Assange data
 
Lots of stuff in this vein from assange here:

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Spymaster said:
The bloke’s a fuckwit. Every word of her judgement was pretty much spot on. As regards his witterings on the allegations, it’s all based on what he and Assange say, not on any indisputable evidence which is how he presents it. Typical conspiracy nonsense.

You’re right about putting judge and lady in inverted commas too. Straight out of the playground and drives a coach and horses through the credibility of everything that follows.
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Look, seriously, what the fuck?

The UN working group on arbitrary detention (that's political prisoners) has declared that that UK is keeping Assange unlawfully.

UN Working Group Decision - Justice for Assange

He doesn't have a case to answer anymore with the Swedish allegations, and as they are demonstrably a load of nonsense really should never had had to. They've now interviewed him (they spun that out for as long as possible) and there are no charges.

Do you really think that there isn't a secret extradition order to the USA being kept undeclared and ready to roll the instant Assange steps outside the embassy?
 
Spymaster said:
I very much doubt it. But if there is, I support it.
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Really? There's all manner of armchair angst about the crimes of the USA war machine on this forum but when men actually do something about it they are a public enemy? I genuinely don't understand this, unless you are so suckered by the sexual assault nonsense that you think any retribution will do.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Yeah! The US war machine's really reigned it in since Assange rode in to town, ain't they! :facepalm:
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Wikileaks has had a very strong impact. From a link above, the Icelandic Minister for the Interior:

... The role played by whistleblowers could be seen as public service. We owe a lot to Chelsea Manning. We owe a lot to Edward Snowden. We owe a lot to Assange. We owe a lot to WikiLeaks. It’s not only about the Iraqi war and other illegal military aggression and immoral power-political manoeuvres, but also the recent international trade agreements TISA, TTIP and CETA.
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Who were the people originally giving us insight into these behind-closed-doors negotiations? It was WikiLeaks who revealed what was meant to be secret. The stakes are high in these negotiations. This is not just about trade, it is about giving international capital access to the infrastructure of our societies. We are talking about handing over the very heart of democracy.
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squirrelp said:
Look, seriously, what the fuck?

The UN working group on arbitrary detention (that's political prisoners) has declared that that UK is keeping Assange unlawfully.

UN Working Group Decision - Justice for Assange

He doesn't have a case to answer anymore with the Swedish allegations, and as they are demonstrably a load of nonsense really should never had had to. They've now interviewed him (they spun that out for as long as possible) and there are no charges.

Do you really think that there isn't a secret extradition order to the USA being kept undeclared and ready to roll the instant Assange steps outside the embassy?
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Damn tricky these modern UK prisons

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squirrelp said:
Really? There's all manner of armchair angst about the crimes of the USA war machine on this forum but when men actually do something about it they are a public enemy? I genuinely don't understand this, unless you are so suckered by the sexual assault nonsense that you think any retribution will do.
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The 'problem' with Assange is this:

For me, the man's own sense of truth and justice (and all things that are fair play) is rather nullified by his own rampant egotism and his sense of (huge) self-importance. Boy, does he want his place in modern social/political history as the David who slayed The Evil Giant! And boy does he want it like, right now! Furthermore, like those who suffer from a borderline narcissistic disorder, he doesn't really care who he uses or what he uses to achieve his 'honorable' aims, either. The means justify the end, so to speak. Then, of course, when things do turn against him as they have (ie. he was rumbled as being just as disagreeable as the people and institutions he's rallied against) we witness the other Assange - the persecuted man persona. Look at me, folks! I'm being crucified here for exposing all the 'truths' out there in this big bad world! Oh purlease. We all know governments and institutions and organizations are riddled with lies and deceit and other nefarious activities. We don't need Mr Self-Martyr to tell us that, just to justify his own self-serving agenda. Besides, I'll keep my real sympathies instead for Chelsea Manning, someone who really did serve time in a jail, solitary confinement style, not Ecuadorian Embassy style. She was the one who paid the true price for the wiki leaks in my view. As for the 'sexual assault' nonsense... no one knows whether he is innocent or guilty. And until it has been proven one way or another, then I'd not class it as 'nonsense' at all - especially as it may well involve real victims, not a self-created one in the shape of Mr Assange.
 
You are sounding like you want Assange to be as mistreated as Chelsea Manning!

You do realise that Assange and Manning are really on the same side? Without wikileaks there would have been no whistleblowing from Manning.

Honestly this post sounds like you have Stockholm syndrome
 
squirrelp said:
You are sounding like you want Assange to be as mistreated as Chelsea Manning!

You do realise that Assange and Manning are really on the same side? Without wikileaks there would have been no whistleblowing from Manning.

Honestly this post sounds like you have Stockholm syndrome
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Why should he be above the law? He thinks he should be but why do you agree that the law only applies to some people? I'm specifically talking about skipping bail here not the rapey stuff.
 
Teaboy said:
Why should he be above the law? He thinks he should be but why do you agree that the law only applies to some people? I'm specifically talking about skipping bail here not the rapey stuff.
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The UN has declared that he is being held unlawfully. Why does our government think it is above the law?
 
squirrelp said:
As for Assange & wikileaks having a 'self serving' agenda... get a grip.
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You obviously never read the interview Assange gave with a business publication years ago. I bet I will struggle to find it now, but when I have spare time I will try to find my u75 posts that may have quoted bits of it years ago.

Also, the leaked twitter wikileaks DMs to Trump Jr were yet another example, if one were needed, of self-serving games and dubious agendas.
 
squirrelp said:
The UN has declared that he is being held unlawfully. Why does our government think it is above the law?
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The UN has no jurisdiction over UK law in this matter. The (laughable) view of that particular committee is not a judgment in law in this country any more than it would be in any other country.

I'll ask again, why do you think the law should only apply to some people?
 
squirrelp said:
The UN has declared that he is being held unlawfully. Why does our government think it is above the law?
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The law is a complex beast and that judge the other day said a lot about the UN stuff in the judgement - have you read it? Here is a starting point, stop thinking of the UN as a monolithic thing.
 
squirrelp said:
The UN has declared that he is being held unlawfully. Why does our government think it is above the law?
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The UN working group's bizarre decision that he was arbitrarily detained was not legally binding so nobody (except Assange) is breaking the law here. The UK's position is that he is voluntarily evading lawful arrest by staying in the embassy and that's an extremely reasonable view.
 
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