Doctor Who 2023

[CNT36]

Also that whole skit was pretty much the same joke as the Davros sketch from comic relief. The Davros bit was written after though I believe.

 

[Chz]

I am worried we'll be treated to a Doctor's Greatest Hits collection of the Tardis crashing into all sorts of historic naming events. And we'll have the Free States of Columbia in for the USA or something.

 

[danny la rouge]

I am worried we'll be treated to a Doctor's Greatest Hits collection of the Tardis crashing into all sorts of historic naming events. And we'll have the Free States of Columbia in for the USA or something.

I’m not worried about that. I’m kind of looking forward to it!

It’s obviously a plot point. It’ll turn out to be a significant clue to something. The Doctor said gravity “by accident”. Something is going on. Plus RTD is doing gags about mavity on the socials.

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[kabbes]

I have to say that I really hate that whole “what was that word, mavity?” thing as well. It’s just stupid. Gravity comes from the Latin for “weight”, and Newton was fluent in Latin, which is no doubt the reason he used that word. He wasn’t just making up sounds that pleased him. And as a puritan prick, it would have been horribly out of character for him to make up a silly word. This is why people describe Doctor Who as a kid’s programme. Things like that are humour for seven year olds. Having it as a repeated motif is just irritating.

I loved the episode other than its Newton nonsense, though.

 

[Gromit]

I have to say that I really hate that whole “what was that word, mavity?” thing as well. It’s just stupid. Gravity comes from the Latin for “weight”, and Newton was fluent in Latin, which is no doubt the reason he used that word. He wasn’t just making up sounds that pleased him. And as a puritan prick, it would have been horribly out of character for him to make up a silly word. This is why people describe Doctor Who as a kid’s programme. Things like that are humour for seven year olds. Having it as a repeated motif is just irritating.

I loved the episode other than its Newton nonsense, though.

Missing the point.
Had a timelord not popped by then yes he'd had taken his usual naming path.

p.s. Doctor Who IS a kids programme... And an adults programme. It's a family programme.

 

[danny la rouge]

I have to say that I really hate that whole “what was that word, mavity?” thing as well. It’s just stupid. Gravity comes from the Latin for “weight”, and Newton was fluent in Latin, which is no doubt the reason he used that word. He wasn’t just making up sounds that pleased him. And as a puritan prick, it would have been horribly out of character for him to make up a silly word. This is why people describe Doctor Who as a kid’s programme. Things like that are humour for seven year olds. Having it as a repeated motif is just irritating.

I loved the episode other than its Newton nonsense, though.

Lol. I thought it was fun. I like the silly jokes. I know the word goes back to an Indo-European root, via Latin, but that’s part of what makes it funny (to me).

Like this:



It doesn’t actually make real world sense as a reaction from art snobs. But it’s funny.

 

[krtek a houby]

It's great, isn't it?

It's never tried to be hard sci-fi, it's not a Kubrick or The Expanse or anything like that kinda thing.

And that's why I love it.

 

[kabbes]

It’s not hard sci-fi to get the basic features of historical characters right if you’re using them in your fiction

 

[danny la rouge]

There’s a great scene in the Fires of Pompeii where Donna realises she’s speaking English and it’s coming out as Latin so she tries speaking Latin and the Tardis translation circuits render that as Welsh. It doesn’t make sense, but it’s fun. And the programme is make in Cardiff so it’s a good reference. I like it.

 

[danny la rouge]

It’s not hard sci-fi to get the basic features of historical characters right if you’re using them in your fiction

Newton was a human being and he’s played by a human being. I’m fine with that. I’m also fine with the Doctor thinking Nathaniel Curtis is hot. I think Nathaniel Curtis is hot. Was Isaac Newton hot? Who cares?

 

[danny la rouge]

Dickens didn’t help the Doctor catch ghosts in Cardiff, and Shakespeare didn’t write the Dark Lady sonnets about Martha. And Queen Victoria wasn’t bitten by a werewolf. It’s sci fi.

 

[Santino]

I think we can still expect it to have a certain fidelity to historic events. You're just disagreeing about where the line should be drawn. How would we all feel if Rosa Parks had been accidentally knocked onto a bus seat by a clumsy companion?

 

[Silas Loom]

We’re all fine with the Great Fire of London being down to the Terileptils, presumably.

 

[CNT36]

I think we can still expect it to have a certain fidelity to historic events. You're just disagreeing about where the line should be drawn. How would we all feel if Rosa Parks had been accidentally knocked onto a bus seat by a clumsy companion?

think if they're going to treat history seriously in some places then when they don't they should keep the characters true to their inspiration as much as possible then have the events around them be ridiculous. I'd say that's often been the case before including the three examples from Danny. They got Simon Callow ffs.

Personally I enjoyed the Merchant of Varos and Great Exterminations.

 

[CNT36]

We’re all fine with the Great Fire of London being down to the Terileptils, presumably.

No, but they got theirs.

 

[danny la rouge]

I think we can still expect it to have a certain fidelity to historic events. You're just disagreeing about where the line should be drawn. How would we all feel if Rosa Parks had been accidentally knocked onto a bus seat by a clumsy companion?

Well sure. But over the course of art and literature, in line with cultural racism, it’s been far more likely that people with dark skin have been underrepresented or misrepresented.

And it’s not as if Newton’s contribution to science has suffered any reputational damage.

I’d be quite happy if the concept of race is dealt a blow by the likes of a British-Asian playing Newton for 3 minutes.

 

[Santino]

Anyway, if you want to make an Isaac Newton adventure, make it about him investigating some alien-related forgery from his secret base beneath the Tower of London which Elizabeth I established in the 50th anniversary.

 

[Silas Loom]

Neal Stephenson has probably done enough Isaac Newton speculative fiction to keep everyone happy.

 

[danny la rouge]

Doctor Who Christmas Day spécial airs at 5:55pm.

 

[Silas Loom]

Nice coats. Ecclestonian.

 

[kabbes]

Well sure. But over the course of art and literature, in line with cultural racism, it’s been far more likely that people with dark skin have been underrepresented or misrepresented.

I don’t give a monkey’s who plays Newton. I just don’t want him to be portrayed as friendly, light-hearted or impulsive.

 

[danny la rouge]

Nice coats. Ecclestonian.

It seems like costumes are going to be a thing in the Gatwa era. Not just one costume, but maybe even a wardrobe with culturally appropriate choices!

 

[danny la rouge]

I don’t give a monkey’s who plays Newton. I just don’t want him to be portrayed as friendly and light-hearted.

I don’t care about how he’s portrayed at all. Not for a jokey scene of three minutes in a sci fi programme.

In a biopic, that’s a different matter. That can be based on all the research if you want. In fact it probably should be.

 

[kabbes]

I think the fact that I have a particular fascination with the Enlightenment and the philosophers (natural and otherwise) of that time makes it particularly hurt. It grates to see Newton skipping along and making up words from nothing. What’s next — they go and see Kant, who insists that we can experience objects directly with absolute certainty? Or Pepys is portrayed as a miserable fucker who hates wine and song?

 

[Santino]

Thatcher as a working class hero who inspired women to enter politics.

 

[danny la rouge]

Well, if they ever portray John Coltrane as an incompetent ukulele player who entered the Eurovision Song Contest and came last, I’ll be the first to complain.

 

[Santino]

Well, if they ever portray John Coltrane as an incompetent ukulele player who entered the Eurovision Song Contest and came last, I’ll be the first to complain.

'Loving this new jizz music.'

 

[danny la rouge]

'Loving this new jizz music.'

That’s actually probably exactly the etymology in this universe.

 

[kabbes]

Well, if they ever portray John Coltrane as an incompetent ukulele player who entered the Eurovision Song Contest and came last, I’ll be the first to complain.

Well quite. We don’t like it when historical characters who were real people who did real things and had particular characteristics are then portrayed as the exact opposite of those real things