8ball
Decolonise colons!
With tofu as a close second
Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?
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With tofu as a close second
Proper Tidy
Arsed
What does this mean, some sort of one person human centipede thing
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
Living on a prayer....maybe
8ball
Decolonise colons!
We’re half way there.
Reno
The In Kraut
It means that if you plant crops in a non-commercial manner, for just your own consumption then you could possibly do without purposeful and accidental killing of rodents, insects, birds etc who get to those plants. Intensive farming of plants and crops kills millions of animals, so the idea of a 100% ethical diet is an illusion. That is unless you were to opt out, growing all the vegan food you consume yourself and buy nothing that has been commercially farmed.
The response to not being able to use a pan in which meat has been fried is part of the illusion of a 100% ethical way of eating, when that battle has already been lost. Of course I would respect that a vegan does not want the smell of fried meat in their home, but the idea that this pan can’t be used again after it’s been thoroughly washed strikes me as silly.
andysays
Love and solidarity
As a (meat-eating) allotment vegetable grower, I'm not even sure about this. Even growing organically on a small scale involves causing a certain amount of animal deaths.
I don't have any issues with that, but it's naive to think that a plant based diet is entirely without negative consequences for animal life
Reno
The In Kraut
It was only meant as hypothetical. It’s in response to vegans who complain about their cooking utensils being used for meat in shared houses etc., which is also maintaining an illusion of a 100% ethical life in regard to animals. If you can disinfect medical equipment to use repeatedly on different patients, then you can wash cooking utensils to get rid of meat contamination. I totally respect being a vegan to limit damage to animal life as much as possible, but when vegans declare themselves as totally without culpability, then they are either naive or manipulative.
AnnaKarpik
Queen of all she surveys
Even digging or hoeing causes casualties; (slow-worm) (giant actual worm, biggest I ever saw).
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Ah, but, as any homeopath kno, the memory of the meaty molecules will forever remain in the pan.
(Though I must confess to re-washing pans, unconvinced that the initial wash had successfully eliminated all traces, having "enjoyed" an unexpectedly fishy vegetarian sausage once or twice
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I remember stew-ew-ew-ew-ew!Ah, but, as any homeopath kno, the memory of the meaty molecules will forever remain in the pan.
(Though I must confess to re-washing pans, unconvinced that the initial wash had successfully eliminated all traces, having "enjoyed" an unexpectedly fishy vegetarian sausage once or twice
Proper Tidy
Arsed
having "enjoyed" an unexpectedly fishy vegetarian sausage once or twice
You can get fish sausages?
Anyway fwiw I wouldn't cook meat in a vegetarian or vegan's house cos it would quite clearly be rude and inconsiderate. If a bacon butty is that important to you then go find a caff or a bakery or something
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Mmm... sturgeon sausage...
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, bit like cracking open a can in the house of a recovering alcoholic.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I have no idea if sturgeon sausage is a thing or a joke
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Imagine something like a smoky chorizo-ish thing, but made with sturgeon.
There's also a fermented version which I'm not keen on.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
No, the improperly washed pan had previously been used for fish, causing my fishless vegetarian (clue in name) sausage to taste of fish...
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Ah makes sense, I thought some sort of sausage mix up
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Theoreticaly if a guest shit in your pans and cleaned it well afterwards would that be OK?
Humberto
Relax
Pickmans model Pickman's model
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You're seeing double perhaps. Or there's an echo in here.
nyxx
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Many years ago I had my own kitchen (for the first time); my brother and his wife needed to come to stay to sort out some official stuff (they wouldn’t have come to visit me socially, we weren’t that kind of family). It took me a little while to actually clock that the whole thing made me unhappy when they cooked meat in my kitchen... I assumed it was them trying to be unobtrusive and sort themselves out for food, rather than expect me to cook, but it was weird to have my kitchen smell of meat. didn’t like it one bit, felt wrong on some level I didn’t know was there until it happened. They were very gracious and pleased to have a space to stay & generally the visit went well. I think I asked them not to cook meat again, in a way which was honest but not dramatic or anything ... such a thing has never happened since.
But yeah basically, it can happen for sure, my family did it unthinkingly and there was no long term aggro about it, but absolutely not up for it. Makes my stomach turn and having finally got my own place after years of chaotic living situations, I’ll keep my kitchen at home meat free thank you. I’d be astonished if anyone was to disrespect that at this stage.
But yeah basically, it can happen for sure, my family did it unthinkingly and there was no long term aggro about it, but absolutely not up for it. Makes my stomach turn and having finally got my own place after years of chaotic living situations, I’ll keep my kitchen at home meat free thank you. I’d be astonished if anyone was to disrespect that at this stage.
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farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Don't recommend searching for that. Chitlings are probably bad enough...
ps - fishfinger will know being the expert in all things fishy.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
andysays
Love and solidarity
AnnaKarpik
Queen of all she surveys
Actually I'm cooking a chicken at Christmas for my visiting family, or more precisely, procuring one for them to cook, giving them sausage rolls on Xmas Eve too, because we always did when they were small. This is only possible because the cooker has two ovens; I will report back if Xmas is destroyed because of meat smell! We live next door to a caff, opposite a pub, barbeque loving neighbours the other side so I think we'll manage.
Quorn products
A mate at work told us he went home and asked his wife ‘what’s for tea’?
‘Chilli’ she told him, he saw an empty Quorn mince bag in the pedal bin.
‘I’m not eating that shit’ said matey,
‘You’ve been eating that shit for eighteen months’ said his Mrs.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I'm not a big fan of fake meat, but this did make me wonder what I'd think if I thought I'd been eating Quorn mince for 18 months, and then discovered I had been given meat mince. Safe to say, I'd be pretty fucking incandescent - mostly because of the breach of trust.
So I think your mate would be entitled to be pissed off (if he was). If a partner did that to me, I think I'd be seriously wondering about the state of the relationship.
History: one of my mum's tricks was to secrete meat-based material into meals, ask me if I'd enjoyed it, and then triumphantly inform me it'd been made with ham stock/whatever. So I'm likely to be oversensitive to that kind of thing...and I am still heartily suspicious of any soup that is on offer
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