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He did some stuff with Klein about climate change and capitalism, a long time before modern loonery.
Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots
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Whom do they approve of approving medicine for children? Despite the fact medicine has always been given to children.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
It's so ridiculous. Think of all the shit we put in our bodies from the local supermaket.
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
This is life without conspiracy theorists. Just sayingAgreeing
careful what you wish for.
Clair De Lune : You've rumbled us!!! We thought our beta-phase preparatory thing for ganging up against those poor loons was a secret!! 
But you knew that anyway, given that Urbs are more skilled and smart at conspiracising than are the actual CTers! 
But you knew that anyway, given that Urbs are more skilled and smart at conspiracising than are the actual CTers!
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
This so-called "double mutate Indian variant", which has already surfaced in the UK, seems to be causing concern, it's still designated as a “variant under investigation”, but looks like it could be upgraded to a "variant of concern" pretty soon. 
www.theguardian.com
India Covid variant found in UK specimens taken in February
Researchers worry that ‘variant under investigation’ contains mutations that could help it evade immune response
cupid_stunt : That's (potentially) bad news, sure
But I think you've picked the wrong thread for this link?!
But I think you've picked the wrong thread for this link?!
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
cupid_stunt : That's (potentially) bad news, sure
But I think you've picked the wrong thread for this link?!
I have indeed, was half asleep at the time.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Taken from one of their Facebook groups, so above everyone aren't they. This is the sort of "Spirituality" that litters their group. It's also insightful as to how emotionally involved they are, that their "theories" puts them in direct contact with God/the void/the universe or any other spiritual goal.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
it's an outdated word, tied up with all sorts of patriotic nonsense, but the word "treason" springs to mind. seriously.They should be informed that they will be on trial and held accountable for war crimes for anyone who dies because of their "advice"twats
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I enjoyed this straight and to-the-point fixing of some conspiracy nonsense (not my handiwork):
These were from around the same spot, so clearly also being used to cover up THE TRUTH:
(actually I think you can just about see that there's something underneath)
These were from around the same spot, so clearly also being used to cover up THE TRUTH:
(actually I think you can just about see that there's something underneath)
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
What's so odd about that is that at it's core the 4 points are kind of true. It's the phrasing and presentation that is totally batshit.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
"Hot girls will blank you if you wear a mask". They're trying hard, I'll say that...
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Good to see she just has a scarf on her head and hasn't given in to the "head injury" lie being pushed by Big Helmet
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Has anyone tried debating with a friend, neighbour, colleague, who has expressed these anti-vaxxer / Covid-is-no-worse-than-flu / the SARS-2-CoV virus-has-never-been-identified views? And if so, did you manage to change their opinion at all? I must admit I don't bother, I've 'unfriended' one person and ignore another, as it seems to me that because all logic has gone out the window for people who believe this stuff, there's no point in trying to discuss it rationally.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
I've definitely managed to get them to alter their behaviour and maybe stopped them recruiting other people into it. Was a lot of effort though and I feel like I gave up in the end (although maybe I haven't, maybe I've just shifted my priorities). Had to be clever about it and at some point resort to tactics I only reserve for dire situations like utilising office politics to 'contain' the issue, which worked but left me feeling really sad and lonely.
Head on arguing seemed to do very little but pre-emting the conversation and railroading down a a slightly different route by saying things like "people feel powerless when confronted with something like a virus, and powerless when confronted with our government who don't care about protecting us, so they take it out on an easier target like people sat in parks or someone who accidentally dropped their mask on the pavement" seemed to work really well.
That was in real life though, are you debating face to face or online? I wouldn't bother online at all.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I kept having a go at some deniers on one site, got one of my posts deleted because I flagged up a false covid-denying tweet ( 
), but the mods then banned any reference to covid denials. I'd fucked off anyway - still have - because the site was so fucking toxic.
), but the mods then banned any reference to covid denials. I'd fucked off anyway - still have - because the site was so fucking toxic.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
No, but I've got a plan next time I come across it - in real life, I wouldn't bother online. My plan is similar to the one muscovyduck mentioned, which is pretty much ignore the stuff they're actually saying about covid at first and try and get at what the root of their fear/cynicism/anger is (and for most people I think there is something there going on like that) and then work from there towards some position where we share some common ground, and then try to show that something else makes more sense to explain that than their bonkers conspiracy shit. That's the idea, I might also lose the plot and scream at them.
E2A: I don't think has any chance of working for the fully bought in conspiracy person, maybe more the person who's dipped into it a bit.
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hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
One of my housemates sometimes comes out with talking points along those lines, I sometimes attempt to gently challenge it but mostly just try to avoid it, since the effort to outcome ratio doesn't really seem worth it.
If anyone does want to get into arguing about this stuff, one thing that I've seen people point out is that there is actual evidence of the Gates Foundation doing shady shit with regard to vaccines, in terms of pressuring Oxford to go from an open-licence model to an exclusive licence with AstraZeneca, but that shady shit is actually completely different to what the conspiracists claim they're doing.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
That's one of the trickier things with this stuff, some of it has small elements of stuff that's believable or true (either currently or historically) or it just chimes with people's mistrust and fear of authority and 'the establishment'. It's a bit like the rise of the anti-woke and alt-right shit, there are bits of stuff in there that I can see and very partially agree with (issues with the more bonkers bits of 'left wing wokeness' and some critiques of identity politics for example), they then get used as a jumping off point into much more horrendous stuff.
E2A; I must expand my vocabulary on from just using 'stuff' so much.
E2A; I must expand my vocabulary on from just using 'stuff' so much.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
This main person I rowed with last week came over today and offered me an icing covered doughnut at work today. Some kind of peace offering or maybe a change of heart? (Unless they'd spat on it first of course!)
I gave a tactful (and slightly fingers crossed) apology as well, said I was sorry if I was dick last week, I'm a bit sensitive as know a couple of people that have died of it. They said it was OK and looked slightly sheepish. Ha!
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