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Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

elbows said:
That disgraceful nurse has been struck off.

jewishnews.timesofisrael.com

Conspiracy theorist nurse who compared NHS to Auschwitz struck off - Jewish News

Kate Shemirani called vaccination teams 'death squads' and likened doctors to members of the Third Reich while spreading Covid falsehoods.
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Good. But the CT cultists are gonna be all "that's what happens when you speak out" bs now, so predictable, like some kind of martyr: that's why you don't hear of many medical staff saying this anti-vax stuff, it's not cos they're more likely to know that it's a loads of old bollocks, it's because they're scared they'll get the sack like poor Kate. :rolleyes:
 
NoXion said:
Do nurses not get any training or education concerning the scientific basis of medicine? If not, then that's a grievous omission.
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They do, but it's at a reasonably low level. I've met quite a few HCPs with some variety of conspiracy theory stuff going on in their heads.

It doesn't matter what people know and read mostly, it's in large part not a logical or fact based position, it's an emotional one, which is why arguments presenting them with 'the facts' doesn't work for the majority of them. Hence I've had someone say to me something like, 'yes, that might be the case, but this is what I feel' or words to that effect.
 
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LynnDoyleCooper said:
They do, but it's at a reasonably low level. I've met quite a few HCPs with some variety of conspiracy theory stuff going on in their heads.

It doesn't matter what people know and read largely, it's in large part not a logical or fact based position, it's an emotional one, which is why arguments presenting them with 'the facts' doesn't work for the majority of them. Hence I've had someone say to me something like, 'yes, that might be the case, but this is what I feel' or words to that effect.
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Yeah well, people can feel damn near anything. Professionals should go where the evidence leads. How common is this? I'd have thought that the training nurses get would act as a filter, vs a random sampling of the public.
 
editor said:
You can see her being interviewed here

www.independent.co.uk

Nurse who claimed Covid symptoms ‘caused by 5G’ is struck off

Anti-vaccine activist also used ‘inflammatory and derogatory’ language about her healthcare colleagues, officials rule
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I saw this brief TV interview with her son last year, which I've linked below, his mother started to brain wash him at 10 or 11 years old, showing him youtube videos about how the Rothschilds were planning to live on a space station, as there was going to be mass genocide. :facepalm:

He also expresses concerns about the far right people at the protests she addressed, as his father is Iranian & all her kids are mixed race, yet she's lapping up the attention from people that don't think they should exist.

She sent me a text a couple of weeks ago saying ‘You need to listen to me. If you don’t, you and your sister are going to die. The CIA has a plot, half the UK’s population is going to be killed in five years’ “So I asked her, who benefits from this? No response, the rant continues.

“I think she’s too far gone to be helped. I’m never going to have a relationship with my mum again.”
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4 minute TV interview-
www.bbc.co.uk

How my mum fell for conspiracy theories

Sebastian’s mum has grown a big online following by spreading dangerous Covid conspiracy theories.
www.bbc.co.uk

18 minute BBC World Service 'Trending' programme on the relationship between him & has mother, and longer interview-
www.bbc.co.uk

Trending - Help! My mum is a conspiracy influencer - BBC Sounds

What would you do if one day your mum became a conspiracy theory influencer?
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Belgium's Van Ranst: Covid scientist targeted by a far-right sniper

"For nearly three weeks Belgium's leading virologist has been living in a safehouse with his wife and 12-year-old son, guarded by security agents.
While scientists across the world have come under attack throughout the pandemic, the threat to Prof Marc Van Ranst is more serious than most.
He has been targeted by a far-right rogue soldier, Jürgen Conings, who has a vendetta for virologists and Covid lockdowns. The military shooting instructor is on the run with a rocket launcher and a machine gun, and Belgian police cannot find him.
"The threat was very real," Prof Van Ranst tells me from his safehouse, as he relives the night he and his family were moved into hiding on 18 May."
 
"In the days that followed Jürgen Conings' disappearance, a support group was created for the ex-soldier on Facebook. Before being closed down, it had attracted nearly 50,000 members. It's this group that worries Prof Van Ranst more than his assailant."
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
“It’s just my opinion”

Quite how we got to this state where every opinion has to be considered or respected I have no idea. Fuck opinion, can we stick with knowledge please?
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Off the top of my head I wonder if it might be traced back to the leniency accorded to religion. Does it discourage critical thought using evidence from a young age?
 
My knowledge has gone a bit rusty, but I seem to recall that studying the long history of talk radio phone-ins in disparate, otherwise isolated communities in the USA earlier in the 20th century was useful, along with their paranoid strain of politics.
 
And in the other direction, I seem to recall that I once found a paper on the internet about how the Nazis had some plans to 'create a new public' in Europe post-victory, via the emerging technology of television.
 
I was thinking, partly irritated that without these people the world would be safer. But anything based upon blind faith cannot be argued with. An exercise in increasing frustration.

I was thinking about anti-vaxers demonstrable lack of critical thinking if they did they'd not be anti-vax. I was pondering how many people would it take to seed enough bullshit, bullshit they want to hear, to make them take vaccines?
Something like
"The deep state made a mistake and put a bioweapon into the water supply, that is slowly infecting everyone. Clearly unable to make this known but, COVID-19 has given them an out. The Pfizer and modern contain an antidote to this bioweapon. Ever wonder why they need to be stored at such low temperatures, nothing to do with the vaccines, it's fine at room temperature. This is entirely due to the antidote, it to stop it mixing with the vaccine, rendering both worthless"
 
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LynnDoyleCooper said:
They do, but it's at a reasonably low level. I've met quite a few HCPs with some variety of conspiracy theory stuff going on in their heads.

It doesn't matter what people know and read mostly, it's in large part not a logical or fact based position, it's an emotional one, which is why arguments presenting them with 'the facts' doesn't work for the majority of them. Hence I've had someone say to me something like, 'yes, that might be the case, but this is what I feel' or words to that effect.
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Also, I believe she was a cosmetic surgery nurse? As in truly cosmetic, I don't mean helping burns victims or anything.

I did most of the general nursing diploma back in the 90's before it became degree only. Some of my classmates were not very bright and remained so. They qualified, I didn’t (I dropped out cos mental health problems unrelated to nursing).

Some were really bright, went on to do further training, and became specialists in departments such as ICU, pediatrics, etc. But it was totally possible to complete basic training and remain fairly ignorant.

I think it's harder now with the degree course but probably still possible.
 
Sunray said:
I was thinking, partly irritated that without these people the world would be safer. But anything based upon blind faith cannot be argued with. An exercise in increasing frustration.

I was thinking about anti-vaxers demonstratable lack of critical thinking, if they didn't and they'd not be anti-vax. I was pondering how many people would it take to seed enough bullshit, bullshit they want to hear, to make them take vaccines?
Something like
"The deep state made a mistake and put a bioweapon into the water supply, that is slowly infecting everyone. Clearly unable to make this known but, COVID-19 has given them an out. The Pfizer and modern contain an antidote to this bioweapon. Ever wonder why they need to be stored at such low temperatures, nothing to do with the vaccines, it's fine at room temperature. This is entirely due to the antidote, it to stop it mixing with the vaccine, rendering both worthless"
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I've got one.

Covid is a hoax, of course it is, but the vaccine is real. Let me explain.

Mainstream antivax mouthpieces (Rothschild stooges) claim that covid is a hoax and the vaccine is designed to kill anyone who takes it within 5 years. It's all part of a population control agenda. But that doesn't make sense. The only people taking the vaccine are sheeple. The exact people the illuminati Rothschild secret government of the world need to keep around to clean the toilets etc. It would leave behind kids and brave truth seekers to bring them up. That's a recipe for rebellion.

The truth is that yes, covid is a hoax. But the vaccine is real. Once all the sheeple have been jabbed they will release the real virus to kill off the brave anti Vax truth seekers, leaving behind only sheeple who will do what they're told and not question any future population reductions.

So called truth seekers like David Icke and Alex Jones are actually senior members of the secret government of the world's ministry of population control and they're peddling their lies to make sure the freedom fighter truth seekers are unvaccinated when the virus is released.

Something like that anyway
 
SpineyNorman said:
I've got one.

Covid is a hoax, of course it is, but the vaccine is real. Let me explain.

Mainstream antivax mouthpieces (Rothschild stooges) claim that covid is a hoax and the vaccine is designed to kill anyone who takes it within 5 years. It's all part of a population control agenda. But that doesn't make sense. The only people taking the vaccine are sheeple. The exact people the illuminati Rothschild secret government of the world need to keep around to clean the toilets etc. It would leave behind kids and brave truth seekers to bring them up. That's a recipe for rebellion.

The truth is that yes, covid is a hoax. But the vaccine is real. Once all the sheeple have been jabbed they will release the real virus to kill off the brave anti Vax truth seekers, leaving behind only sheeple who will do what they're told and not question any future population reductions.

So called truth seekers like David Icke and Alex Jones are actually senior members of the secret government of the world's ministry of population control and they're peddling their lies to make sure the freedom fighter truth seekers are unvaccinated when the virus is released.

Something like that anyway
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How about we treat them same way we would fascists. Separate the peripheral ill-informed who can be educated and won over from the ideological conspiracy theorists who actively promote the dangerous misinformation and act accordingly. We don’t debate with fascists we attack them at every opportunity and deny them the space to promote their agenda. There’s the scared and stupid but that’s not what piers corbyn is with his top degree in astrophysics, nor the far right usual suspects.
It was a similar situation with HIV. I lost 2 mates who succumbed to the nonsense about AIDS not being real and that it was all a plot by the big pharmaceutical companies and governments to get rid of gays and drug addicts, and it was the meds killing people not a virus. A lot of it was generated by religious idiots at the time, but anything that pushes the line “ you can’t trust science as it’s all a government plot “ benefits the populists and opens the door to people like trump.
The conspiracy theorists need to be treated with pure contempt as you can’t debate with ideological scum like that anymore than you can with Nazis. Their shit is killing people and we are being too lenient with them.
 
Southlondon said:
How about we treat them same way we would fascists. Separate the peripheral ill-informed who can be educated and won over from the ideological conspiracy theorists who actively promote the dangerous misinformation and act accordingly. We don’t debate with fascists we attack them at every opportunity and deny them the space to promote their agenda. There’s the scared and stupid but that’s not what piers corbyn is with his top degree in astrophysics, nor the far right usual suspects.
It was a similar situation with HIV. I lost 2 mates who succumbed to the nonsense about AIDS not being real and that it was all a plot by the big pharmaceutical companies and governments to get rid of gays and drug addicts, and it was the meds killing people not a virus. A lot of it was generated by religious idiots at the time, but anything that pushes the line “ you can’t trust science as it’s all a government plot “ benefits the populists and opens the door to people like trump.
The conspiracy theorists need to be treated with pure contempt as you can’t debate with ideological scum like that anymore than you can with Nazis. Their shit is killing people and we are being too lenient with them.
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Not sure but I think I might have been joking a little bit :(
 
I know msm probably haven't got many fans here, but I also think their total "baby out with the bathwater" endless, ENDLESS meme warfare against them is almost as bad as the covid denial.

Speak to any covid denier and their contempt for the "deep state" is only marginally more than their contempt for msm news organisations. Because they are in on it too.

Its so toxic and dangerous. Getting to the point where say a news article about failing education, no matter what the outlet reporting, is seen as total bullshit as its all part of a plot.

In my view conspiracy theories need to be become toxic brands pretty damn quick. There needs to be a sense of shame when identifying with them, much like holocaust denial has become. You stand up and say I deny the holocaust, society will shun you in the main. The same needs to the case for covid denial and all its myriad qanon type ecosystems.
 
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