Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[Orang Utan]

THINK!

What passports is he talking about?

 

[bemused]

What passports is he talking about?

He's talking about the visa requirements by some government to prove you've had a vaccine before you enter the country. Something that has been in place for years - for example, you can't get a visa to get in some African countries until you can prove yellow fever vaccination.

I'm sure there are an awful lot of people not keen on vaccine passports that are super dupa keen on photo ID for voting.

 

[Riklet]

Fucking hell sooo many loons there, depressing shit to watch. Clearly more people being dragged into this cesspit.

 

[scalyboy]

One of the protesters is actually wearing a tinfoil hat.

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The sooner more of these loons catch covid & die from it, the better.

Let me get this straight: they are fighting lockdown restrictions which are to be lifted in 3 weeks’ time. They occupy the Westfield shopping centre to protest the closure of non-essential shops - which have been open and trading for several weeks - and temporarily force it to close?

Rise of the Idiots.

 

[scalyboy]

Fucking hell sooo many loons there, depressing shit to watch. Clearly more people being dragged into this cesspit.

It probably won’t catch on, but I rather like the suggestion I saw elsewhere that instead of anti-vaxxer these people be known as pro-virus.

Was out and about yesterday and - seeing a sizeable minority of people proudly not wearing masks on the tube - it made me wonder if they are reason behind the current rise in infections.

 

[krtek a houby]

Hold onto your hats

Tennessee hat shop in storm over ‘not vaccinated’ Star of David badges

Another hatWRKS post stated the belief that as the US emerges from the Covid pandemic, people will not be permitted to go about their daily business “unless you show your papers”.

“At the least, all unvaccinated people will be segregated from society, marked and must wear a mask. What comes next? … Much of this is happening right now. There is a historical parallel to fascism to be drawn. We can only fight back to not relive history.”

 

[scalyboy]

The yellow stars ... OMFG The false analogy victimhood, empathy-gap, tone-deaf offensiveness. Holocaust-trivialising c*nts.

How do these people get to a state of mind where they equate going on a foreign holiday to being forced into ghettoes, starved or worked to death, shot or gassed? Is it a fucked up variant of Aspergers? I can’t fathom it

 

[scalyboy]

Hold onto your hats

Tennessee hat shop in storm over ‘not vaccinated’ Star of David badges

Another hatWRKS post stated the belief that as the US emerges from the Covid pandemic, people will not be permitted to go about their daily business “unless you show your papers”.

“At the least, all unvaccinated people will be segregated from society, marked and must wear a mask. What comes next? … Much of this is happening right now. There is a historical parallel to fascism to be drawn. We can only fight back to not relive history.”

One of the many irritating things about this bullshit is that there is no ‘must’ about wearing a mask, not in England anyway.

They should wear a mask, but as we’ve all seen, plenty of people don’t, and in practice there’s little or nothing to curb them. There’s not enough BTP or regular cops to police buses and tubes.

My local corner shop is often packed full of mask-free c*nts; I rarely go in there now. What’s the owner to do; if he called the police they wouldn’t come; and if he strictly enforced mask-wearing, he’d get abused, and quite possibly physically assaulted. And in the longer run he’d lose a lot of local customers. It’s only bigger places with security guards that have any hope of enforcing masks.

The more I think about it, the more likely it seems that Covid is going to be with us for the foreseeable future - because there’ll always be a sufficient number of selfish idiots spreading it, as well as enough vaccine-refusers to constitute a large enough host pool of humans for the virus to thrive and replicate.

Looks likely we’ll require annual or six-monthly booster vaccine doses, like the yearly flu jab.

 

[BigMoaner]

The yellow stars ... OMFG The false analogy victimhood, empathy-gap, tone-deaf offensiveness. Holocaust-trivialising c*nts.

How do these people get to a state of mind where they equate going on a foreign holiday to being forced into ghettoes, starved or worked to death, shot or gassed? Is it a fucked up variant of Aspergers? I can’t fathom it

If you want simplistic reductive psychological theories, I would say these folks are likely to score highly in narcissism and other dark triad beliefs. It takes a certain internal dynamic to be so certain of your own thinking that it over rides the fear of harming other folk. "but I am not causing harm because I am RIGHT"

 

[BigMoaner]

Opinion | There's a reason why narcissists like Trump love conspiracy theories

Whether spreading myths about vaccines, the Moon landing or Barack Obama's birthplace, science suggests conspiracy theorists tend to share certain characteristics.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[hitmouse]

Sad reacts only everyone...

What do you think the odds are of Deputy Trujillo having a history of brutality against defenceless people? The answer may or may not surprise you.

Spoiler

Two Denver Sheriff Department deputies have been suspended for using excessive force against an inmate who was locked in a cell but sticking his arms through a small opening in his cell door.

It’s a situation that has led to altercations — and accusations of excessive force — at the department.

The man was sticking his arms through a small opening in his cell door, used to distribute food and other items, and refused to withdraw his arms into the cell when asked, according to a sheriff’s report.

Deputy Daniel Trujillo, who was hired in 2014, was suspended without pay for 60 days after he violated the department’s use-of-force policy when he beat the inmate’s outstretched arms with nunchaku and also used the weapon to squeeze the inmate’s arms, according to his disciplinary letter, which was obtained by The Denver Post through an open records request.

Nunchaku is a martial arts weapon made of two sticks joined at one end by a short length of cord. Police use the weapon for self-defense and to control people.

It is Trujillo’s second suspension this year. He previously sat out 30 days for failing to respond quickly enough to an inmate’s suicide attempt.

 

[keybored]

What do you think the odds are of Deputy Trujillo having a history of brutality against defenceless people? The answer may or may not surprise you.

Spoiler

Two Denver Sheriff Department deputies have been suspended for using excessive force against an inmate who was locked in a cell but sticking his arms through a small opening in his cell door.

It’s a situation that has led to altercations — and accusations of excessive force — at the department.

The man was sticking his arms through a small opening in his cell door, used to distribute food and other items, and refused to withdraw his arms into the cell when asked, according to a sheriff’s report.

Deputy Daniel Trujillo, who was hired in 2014, was suspended without pay for 60 days after he violated the department’s use-of-force policy when he beat the inmate’s outstretched arms with nunchaku and also used the weapon to squeeze the inmate’s arms, according to his disciplinary letter, which was obtained by The Denver Post through an open records request.

Nunchaku is a martial arts weapon made of two sticks joined at one end by a short length of cord. Police use the weapon for self-defense and to control people.

It is Trujillo’s second suspension this year. He previously sat out 30 days for failing to respond quickly enough to an inmate’s suicide attempt.

 

[glitch hiker]

"Duke"

I bet he came up with that for himself and hoped it would stick. I bet he owned a dog also called Duke.

And now he's dead. "Duke" was too much of a real man for this world I guess.

What gets me about these conspiracy clowns is that we've had a year of this as a 'live' situation. Ongoing. Yet the population has not been microchipped. There isn't a New World Order. As ever all the 'Great Reset' (or whatever the latest incarnation of the NWO theory is called today) is a fake narrative. We can see that, why can't they? It's not like 911 insofar as that was a single event. It didn't last for fifteen plus months and counting. It happened in a day and then the clown car posse extrapolated awful things that, too, never happened from that. But this is different, as I say it's ongoing. The only 'conspiracy' is how regressive and exploitative capitalism is and how the atomised nation states that prop it up will do anything to keep it going.

Or something

 

[souljacker]

What do you think the odds are of Deputy Trujillo having a history of brutality against defenceless people? The answer may or may not surprise you.

Spoiler

Two Denver Sheriff Department deputies have been suspended for using excessive force against an inmate who was locked in a cell but sticking his arms through a small opening in his cell door.

It’s a situation that has led to altercations — and accusations of excessive force — at the department.

The man was sticking his arms through a small opening in his cell door, used to distribute food and other items, and refused to withdraw his arms into the cell when asked, according to a sheriff’s report.

Deputy Daniel Trujillo, who was hired in 2014, was suspended without pay for 60 days after he violated the department’s use-of-force policy when he beat the inmate’s outstretched arms with nunchaku and also used the weapon to squeeze the inmate’s arms, according to his disciplinary letter, which was obtained by The Denver Post through an open records request.

Nunchaku is a martial arts weapon made of two sticks joined at one end by a short length of cord. Police use the weapon for self-defense and to control people.

It is Trujillo’s second suspension this year. He previously sat out 30 days for failing to respond quickly enough to an inmate’s suicide attempt.

This was his last instagram post:

 

[elbows]

Quite a lot of the people who take the most stupid stances in this pandemic have a BMI that places them in the at risk category, regardless of age, as far as I'm concerned. Its not the easiest subject to talk about without putting my foot in it but I do wonder if more attention should have been drawn to this aspect in public pandemic messaging.

 

[rubbershoes]

One loon has told me on FB he's saving my family from communism

 

[rubbershoes]

And apparently spanish flu deaths were caused by people wearing masks

Bacterial breeding grounds, you see

 

[DaveCinzano]

And apparently spanish flu deaths were caused by people wearing masks

Bacterial breeding grounds, you see

Sneaky continental viruses, that's how they get you, INSIDE TEH BACTERIAS

 

[Dystopiary]

The yellow stars ... OMFG The false analogy victimhood, empathy-gap, tone-deaf offensiveness. Holocaust-trivialising c*nts.

How do these people get to a state of mind where they equate going on a foreign holiday to being forced into ghettoes, starved or worked to death, shot or gassed? Is it a fucked up variant of Aspergers? I can’t fathom it

No, it really isn't. Plenty of people on the ASD spectrum who think this conspiracy bs is dangerous, and who find the false analogy stuff beyond the pale.

 

[rubbershoes]

Sneaky continental viruses, that's how they get you, INSIDE TEH BACTERIAS

I'm sure they'd link the Black Death to a Jewish conspiracy

 

[Chilli.s]

I'm always looking for ways to excuse stupidity and enable learning. Having done a bit of teaching, "reluctant learners" were always encouraged in as many different ways as possible. Unfortunately it seems I was wrong and some people are just too thick to learn. I suppose having been a dunce for so long some think that any hunch or gut feeling is as valid as a theory as anything that an educated and qualified person can come up with. Dangerous idiots in this instance.

 

[scalyboy]

No, it really isn't. Plenty of people on the ASD spectrum who think this conspiracy bs is dangerous, and who find the false analogy stuff beyond the pale.

I apologise. I was posting while mystified and enraged, but I now acknowledge I was wrong to suggest that.

Someone elsewhere on this thread or another posted up a link that posited narcisstic PD as a possible factor to explain the more extreme conspiraloon thought processes. I do think there’s something pathological about their misuse of the yellow star motif. It seems so weirdly tone-deaf and counter-productive (likely to alienate potential converts)

 

[BigMoaner]

I'm always looking for ways to excuse stupidity and enable learning. Having done a bit of teaching, "reluctant learners" were always encouraged in as many different ways as possible. Unfortunately it seems I was wrong and some people are just too thick to learn. I suppose having been a dunce for so long some think that any hunch or gut feeling is as valid as a theory as anything that an educated and qualified person can come up with. Dangerous idiots in this instance.

I'm not even sure it's to do with education or intellect, rather emotional gratification. Deep spiritual like certainty. Its the usual garden variety extremism. A goodie vs baddie narrative is not disimilar to god vs Satan. Proper glint in the eye shit.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Sneaky continental viruses, that's how they get you, INSIDE TEH BACTERIAS

Except Spanish flu was unlikely to have been a 'continental virus', first cases were observed in the US, in Jan. 1918, not arriving in Europe until later, via US troop ships. Wartime censorship meant it was not widely reported in many countries, whereas the Spanish media was free to do so, which created an impression of Spain as being the centre of the pandemic, hence the name.

 

[High Voltage]

Except Spanish flu was unlikely to have been a 'continental virus', first cases were observed in the US, in Jan. 1918, not arriving in Europe until later, via US troop ships. Wartime censorship meant it was not widely reported in many countries, whereas the Spanish media was free to do so, which created an impression of Spain as being the centre of the pandemic, hence the name.

Or Kansas Flu - as I'm pushing to get it correctly renamed as

 

[DaveCinzano]

Except Spanish flu was unlikely to have been a 'continental virus', first cases were observed in the US, in Jan. 1918, not arriving in Europe until later, via US troop ships. Wartime censorship meant it was not widely reported in many countries, whereas the Spanish media was free to do so, which created an impression of Spain as being the centre of the pandemic, hence the name.

Gee I guess you earned your smart cookie points

 

[NoXion]

I'm sure they'd link the Black Death to a Jewish conspiracy

Funny you should say that, because medieval Jews were the subjects of slander and violence during the Black Death because other people noticed they weren't suffering from it as bad. Nothing to do with being a relatively isolated and even ostracised community, instead nasty cunts seeking scapegoats blamed Jews for supposedly poisoning them.

 

[hitmouse]

Crossposting here cos there's a few roughly parallel threads about this stuff, some analysis from While Rome Burns, which is usually pretty thoughtful:

Thousands of conspiracists on the streets of London is a problem for the left

“Zionist Occupied Government” dude – with “We are not Goy” on the back in case you didn’t get it. A short quick post on the London anti-lockdown conspiracist pro…

whileromeburnsjournal.wordpress.com

There was definitely a presence of some dodgy far-right characters who others have documented. I personally saw adrenochrome and ‘save the children’ QAnon stuff, anti-semitic ZOG conspiracist stuff, a ‘Don’t tread on me’ Gadsden flag, and a bunch of Union Jack waving types. But… also people of colour, Sikhs, hippies, some anarchists, Anonymous types, young and old. All united by conspiracism. This almost made it more disturbing than if it had just been a far-right demo.


Conspiracism is not inherently tied to left or right, which makes it a space of cross-over and convergence. This makes it dangerous but also unpredictable and changeable. This big new movement that has coalesced over anti-lockdownism feels very amorphous like lots of people have been newly politicised and might move in all sorts of directions. So it is probably very open to the far-right trying to pull it more into their orbit. But, in this respect, the conspiracism here seems very different to the USA. In the States, all the anti-lockdown stuff seems quite associated with the (far) right. Trump no doubt helped by massively signal-boosting it to all his credulous supporters. Here the far-right has not massively gone for anti-lockdown conspiracism. There is some far-right presence but far more David Icke types, hippies etc etc. You aren’t getting Tommy Robinson, the DFLA, Britain First etc falling in behind it. Although if they did, TBH I can see them being welcomed with open arms.

So, as well as some far-right, there are a load of people in this conspiracist movement who are effectively ‘our’ sort of people. Unfortunately, conspiracism seems to have this logic of increasing credulousness as believers ‘join the dots’ and ‘follow the breadcrumbs’ – people who start off with one conspiracist belief become introduced to others and add them together. So there is a danger of people who start out more or less on the left being sucked into this increasingly dodgy greyzone, moving from one thing to another, until they pop up in a couple of years’ time as fully fledged loons thinking George Soros is paying Antifa to bring the New World Order or something.

It all feels quite a lot like Occupy back in 2011. That was a political moment that drew in a lot of new people very quickly. And there were a lot of crazies and conspiraloons, which sometimes made it hard to know how to engage with it. The difference is that Occupy was inherently our territory so we had some basis to be there and to argue with people. By contrast it does not feel possible to get involved with this anti-lockdown conspiracist movement in order to try and influence it in a good direction, given that the fundamental premises of the whole thing are dangerous and wrong. On what basis would it be possible for the left / anarchists to turn up and get involved?

This then leaves a problem of how we relate to this. Should be opposing them and having counter-demos? Ignoring it and hoping it will go away? It feels problematic that this is not something that the left has got a handle on yet. And this task is made more urgent in that this anti-lockdown movement does not seem to be going away with the ending of lockdown. The question is – where will this movement go after covid? Will it fizzle out or will it transmute into something new and worse?

Twitter thread referred to is here:

 

[bemused]

Twitter thread referred to is here:

I do notice that the familiar media types on Twitter who post video from these protests carefully avoid footage of these loons, occasionally a rogue 'paedophile plot' banner makes it through.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

This is from Friday, one to watch I reckon

Soft play centre refuses to close despite Tier 3 restrictions

The centre on Great Homer Street said 'we are open as normal because we believe this is absolutely the right thing to do'

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

How it started

How it’s going:

Covid: Ex-footballer Bradley Orr fined for Magna Carta Covid breach

Bradley Orr claimed the ancient document meant he did not have to close his children's play centre.

www.bbc.co.uk