butchersapron
Bring back hanging
From one so skilled in the arts, a comment i have taken to heart.Lock&Light said:What an appallingly egocentric, arrogant and patronising comment.
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butchersapron said:
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Come back when you can sustain it over two posts...
silentNate
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Excuse me but your the one who seems to be following me- we have one argument and then you set off on almost every thread having a go at me. Whatever- is this the type of bullying of the working classes the IWCA goes in for?butchersapron said:
meanoldman said:
That's all very well saying that but this thread has so far only attarcted the same old P&P faces. I'd think it far more valuable to see what the general users on urban75 think - which is one of the reasons I started this thread in this forum.
The fact is that a large number of people read the newspapaer or listen to or watch the news, and most of them will have an opinion about some of the issues covered - I think it is fair to say that the stuff in the news qualifies as "current affairs" even if some people will complain about things that are kept of the "news agenda". However, when you compare this to the urban75 "UK politics/current affairs" forum there is astark contrast. It used mainly by a relatively small number of posters and over half the threads concern one tiny political sect that has next to no relevance to most people in the UK. There is hardly any discussion of what would be classified as "current affairs" and all the focus seems to be entirely on three small left wing political parties (Green Party, IWCA and SWP) along with a few other left/anarchist groups and parties.
Even then the debate tends to mainly consist of personal abuse or very abstruse details of past disputes. Occasionally there are actual debates about real issues, but the average urban75 user probably doesn't get this far and probably tends to avoid the place and chooses debate various issues in a fragmented way elsewhere.
Of course it is up to me to try and post interesting, topical and relevant stuff, but if the whole place is swamped in sectarian in-fighting and everyone who isn't involved has cleared off, is it even worth making the effort? And is it entirely up to one person to make a difference? Is it wrong to debate the situation more genearlly and ask other people what they feel about it, in addition to posting some new threads?
butchersapron said:
Fucking a. Me and BA had bigger barneys than you semi-trot pratts could dream of, but we still have more in common than you bunch of fantasists.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not, that's called projection. Both in the way you imagine that you are the working class and in the actual truth of the matter- which we both know. Don't we?
flimsier said:
Well, as I was the poster who made flimsier go into meltdown a couple of weeks back (and as we've possibly reached some kind of rapprochement today), I'd just like to state that, from my perspective, I'm not "obsessed with criticising the minutiae of left politics to wind people up".
I am angry about the fact (in my humble opinion, of course) that any possibility of a serious left challenge to Blair has been pissed away by one particular sect's opportunistic capitulation with communalist politics. And, as I live in Brum where - again in my opinion - that sect's opportunism frequently manifests itself in a particularly vulgar fashion, I tend to post about that sect's antics fairly often. I don't do it to wind people up. Well, not all the time.
However, the fact of the matter is, as butchers says, there's nothing stopping anyone else posting anything they wish about anything they wish.
TeeJay said:
Thw SWP and Greens are 'left-wing'?
Indeed - just to get personal for a moment, butchersapron has been posting a lot of ad hominem personal abuse recently, and comes across as a nasty and bitter bully who loves to throw vile insults at people and their friends and family in the place of any actual coherent argument, whenever he either disagrees with anyone or simply when he feels like being unpleasant to someone.silentNate said:Excuse me but your the one who seems to be following me- we have one argument and then you set off on almost every thread having a go at me. Whatever- is this the type of bullying of the working classes the ICWA goes in for?
I didn't know he was in IWCA tho' - I thought he supported the AF and was against any kind of political parties or involvement in elections of any kind?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
TeeJay said:Indeed - just to get personal for a moment, butchersapron has been posting a lot of ad hominem personal abuse recently, and comes across as a nasty and bitter bully who loves to throw vile insults at people and their friends and family in the place of any actual coherent argument, whenever he either disagrees with anyone or simply when he feels like being unpleasant to someone.
I didn't know he was in IWCA tho' - I thought he supported the AF and was against any kind of political parties or involvement in elections of any kind?
Do me a favour - tell me when i've abused your friends or family teejay? Was it when you lied about them in order to make yourself look more sympathetic and got caught out - in which case it was you i was insulting matey.
TeeJay said:Indeed - just to get personal for a moment, butchersapron has been posting a lot of ad hominem personal abuse recently, and comes across as a nasty and bitter bully who loves to throw vile insults at people and their friends and family in the place of any actual coherent argument, whenever he either disagrees with anyone or simply when he feels like being unpleasant to someone.
I didn't know he was in IWCA tho' - I thought he supported the AF and was against any kind of political parties or involvement in elections of any kind?
Teejay - this is getting too much for you - its like the kid who hangs around with the big boys and ends up spewing up over his new kecks every night. Give up - go and post stuff about GM crops or something somewhere else you yoghurt weaver.
I'm usually one of the first to defend uk p&p whenever community threads crop up about changing it (and they do periodically).
But ...
TJ pointed out at the beginning of the thread that at the moment that the thread count at the moment is 15 non to 17 SWP related threads. For me that's too much. I agree the main solution is to put up more interesting topics - but do we really need 17 different Respect threads? are they all completely necessary?
and if we don't, surely there should be some method of pruning them?
But ...
TJ pointed out at the beginning of the thread that at the moment that the thread count at the moment is 15 non to 17 SWP related threads. For me that's too much. I agree the main solution is to put up more interesting topics - but do we really need 17 different Respect threads? are they all completely necessary?
and if we don't, surely there should be some method of pruning them?
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
What the fuck?????butchersapron said:
I avoid UKP unless it's an argument I'm particularly wound up about because as others have said, it's always the same old faces and the same old tired sectarian abuse and mud-flinging - but since my name appears to have cropped up by way of insult, I now have something to say about this matter.
Butchers, you really are a twat of the highest order. Maybe you don't realise that you bringing me into this in the way that you have done is more insulting to me than it is to silentNate - and I really don't get what your gripe is with me. I've been disagreeing with you for bloody ages, and I can fight my own fucking battles. But then of course I am only a poor little woman who needs to be defended by her bloke, eh?
Just because some couples on here operate like a fucking tag team it doesn't mean we all do. Oh hold on, I'd better go now, there's a pile of ironing waiting. the B said:
Fuck off Neo, go and talk about Anime or some such bollix. Or how you squatted between private school and university, you diplomat's kid....
the B said:
B - leave it here. SN has made many ad hominem attacks in the past too. I can think of one poster in particular... he knows too, and kows he was wrong (not that it needs dragging up again)
ARe you trying to stoke the fire?
Ern's attacks are indefensible, but BAs are not. Just this is not the time or the place to stoke the fire.
Epona said:What the fuck?????
I avoid UKP unless it's an argument I'm particularly wound up about because as others have said, it's always the same old faces and the same old tired sectarian abuse and mud-flinging - but since my name appears to have cropped up by way of insult, I now have something to say about this matter.
Butchers, you really are a twat of the highest order. Maybe you don't realise that you bringing me into this in the way that you have done is more insulting to me than it is to silentNate - and I really don't get what your gripe is with me. I've been disagreeing with you for bloody ages, and I can fight my own fucking battles. But then of course I am only a poor little woman who needs to be defended by her bloke, eh?
That's also not fair. Shit, this is bad! I think butchers was talking about when.
Oh fuck it, I'm getting out.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
flimsier said:
Flims it was the one where he claimed variously that his parents paid 0%,15%, 25%/didn't know/ even though he was well aware it was not 0%, and that he forgot just what his parents earned - you remember, the one where he claimed that the majority of people at his school were no-fee-paying despite about 70% of them paying fees. I think that was the school strikes one on weds.
I remember it well, flim you were in there as well...the b wasn't obviously, fuck knows why he's here in P+P actually?
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