"Digital driving licence"

[Serge Forward]

Drivers should have to sit the driving test annually anyway - so many of them are terrible at it.

The theory test is currently £23 and the test is £62. That's a lot of potential annual revenue for the UK government

I've been driving for 43 years now. Never had an accident, never got done for crap driving or speeding (touches wood superstiously). The number of crap drivers on the road now is terrifying, especially since red traffic lights increasingly seem to be seen as optional for many drivers. Meanwhile for us safer drivers and pedestrians, green lights are not to be trusted.

Anyway, balls to more digital shite. And balls to more ID shit.

 

[Spymaster]

Of course, the farmy bastards outsource the risk of prosecution to the gangmaster/agencies and then turn a blind eye.

Sure, but pretty much everything is open to exploitation isn’t it?

Some social workers are probably child abusers but we don’t get rid of social workers. We try to regulate the people who do it.

 

[xenon]

I've had to show a passport or similar level of ID, luckily have always had a passport, not that I travel a lot, for every job I've done. Even for a couple of interviews. Maybe a digital passport would be a good idea...

 

[brogdale]

Sure, but pretty much everything is open to exploitation isn’t it?

Some social workers are probably child abusers but we don’t get rid of social workers. We try to regulate the people who do it.

What?

 

[xenon]

That’s literally why and when they introduced these policies?

You're confusing the requirement to prove who you are with the proof of right to work in the UK.

Digital passports is another means of addressing the former.

 

[brogdale]

I've had to show a passport or similar level of ID, luckily have always had a passport, not that I travel a lot, for every job I've done. Even for a couple of interviews. Maybe a digital passport would be a good idea...

I'm sure that New Labour would love another huge tranche of our data to flog off to US tech

 

[Spymaster]

I'm sure that New Labour would love another huge tranche of our data to flog off to US tech

But you wouldn't be giving them any data that they don't already have.

 

[PTK]

.....they then discovered she wasn't actually the person on the ID

So, ID does not necessarily prove who someone is.

 

[PTK]

It's very simple and nothing to do with the hostile environment. If you want someone to employ you, prove who you are.

Why should someone born in this country be required to show a passport when applying for a job? For that is what often happens.

 

[xenon]

I'm sure that New Labour would love another huge tranche of our data to flog off to US tech

It's the same information though. Just in a digital format. I'm sure they'll find a way to make it massively lucrative to Crapita or which other vampire gets to implement it.

 

[Spymaster]

Why should someone born in this country be required to show a passport when applying for a job? For that is what often happens.

They aren't. They are required to show some ID. Someone posted the alternative forms further up.

 

[xenon]

Why should someone born in this country be required to show a passport when applying for a job? For that is what often happens.

Really? I've applied for a lot of jobs over the years. Never had to show a passport to apply. At interview a couple of times, sure, and always when starting work but to apply... No.

 

[Cerv]

So people who do not have a driving licence or passport are banned from clubs in Lambeth?

or another acceptable photo ID. unless the bouncer's willing to let it slide (and risk the club's licence).

it is becoming a common licence requirement for venues to take ID scans. either across the board at all late night venues, or as a condition for venues councils are particularly fussed about.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

or another acceptable photo ID. unless the bouncer's willing to let it slide (and risk the club's licence).

it is becoming a common licence requirement for venues to take ID scans. either across the board at all late night venues, or as a condition for venues councils are particularly fussed about.

So there's some bonus to being of an age that I no longer want to go to places like that?

 

[Cerv]

You do understand that not everyone has a smartphone, or data, or even a signal in some places where people live, right?

yes and?
no smartphone - can keep using an old plastic driving licence, or paper if you're really old.
no data / signal - doesn't matter. as with your credit cards the driving licence is stored locally and doesn't need anything over the network each time you use it.

 

[brogdale]

But you wouldn't be giving them any data that they don't already have.

Given that a UK passport contains the following personal data:

A passport will contain the following personal information:

• Passport number
• Surname
• First name(s)
• Date of birth
• Place of birth
• Gender
• Digitised image (photograph)
• Signature (if recorded digitally).

that's clearly more, unsubstantiated bollux from you.

There is a reason that the UK state says in it's own privacy guidance that

We may pass your data to organisations in the UK and abroad. We may share data with business partners, other government departments, law enforcement agencies and local authorities to help fulfil their aims and objectives.

The cunty data addicted corporations wouldn't pay for stuff they already knew.

 

[Chz]

Even a birth certificate and a council tax bill are difficult for someone who is, for example, vulnerably housed, to provide.

Do you know what would make it easier for the vulnerable to prove right to work? National ID cards issued at birth. Although the notion of a British government making updates free (as you really should do for a required ID) is kind of funny. That being said, I think updating your address on the DL is still free.

 

[brogdale]

yes and?
no smartphone - can keep using an old plastic driving licence, or paper if you're really old.
no data / signal - doesn't matter. as with your credit cards the driving licence is stored locally and doesn't need anything over the network each time you use it.

cheeky fucker

 

[PTK]

They aren't. They are required to show some ID. Someone posted the alternative forms further up.

OK. They are not. You are right and I am wrong.
By the way, a couple of months ago, I was told by my mobile phone company that I needed to change my SIM for a new one. An employee in the shop asked my for a driving licence or a passport, and was amazed when I said that I had neither. I recently obtained an OAP bus pass, and I asked it that would suffice. It looked like he was not going to accept, then his colleague intervened. I think it rather strange that I was asked to prove who I was, given that my phone was not registered in my name.

 

[Spymaster]

Given that a UK passport contains the following personal data:

A passport will contain the following personal information:

• Passport number
• Surname
• First name(s)
• Date of birth
• Place of birth
• Gender
• Digitised image (photograph)
• Signature (if recorded digitally).

that's clearly more, unsubstantiated bollux from you.

There is a reason that the UK state says in it's own privacy guidance that

We may pass your data to organisations in the UK and abroad. We may share data with business partners, other government departments, law enforcement agencies and local authorities to help fulfil their aims and objectives.

The cunty data addicted corporations wouldn't pay for stuff they already knew.

Are you on the crack again?

This is about digitising licences. Doing so does not give the government any more information about you than they already hold!

 

[brogdale]

OK. They are not. You are right and I am wrong.
By the way, a couple of months ago, I was told by my mobile phone company that I needed to change my SIM for a new one. The empoyee in the shop asked my for a driving licence or a passport, and was amazed when I said that I had neither. I recently obtaine an OAP bus pass, and I asked it that would suffice.

Yes, the last time I got a new SIM in a shop the young person was utterly perplexed when I dutifully produced my driving licence, as requested, and it was the old paper one. They had to spend a long time on the phone to "management" before they sold me the fucking thing.

 

[Cerv]

voting (what happened to "scrapping the Tories voter ID scheme?)

had to look this up to check, but they didn't promise in the manifesto to scrap entirely.

so it's still TBC whether the ID requirement is going to removed or just loosened.

Labour could scrap voter ID rules, says Rayner

Deputy Prime Minister tells MPs that reports suggest ‘electoral fraud is very minor’

www.telegraph.co.uk

so in any event, if ID remains a requirement for voting then new format digital driving licenses will be accepted making that more convenient. but if the ID requirement is scrapped that doesn't change anything about the driving license.

 

[PTK]

Yes, the last time I got a new SIM in a shop the young person was utterly perplexed when I dutifully produced my driving licence, as requested, and it was the old paper one. They had to spend a long time on the phone to "management" before they sold me the fucking thing.

Why are we required to prove who we are to get a SIM?

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Yes, the last time I got a new SIM in a shop the young person was utterly perplexed when I dutifully produced my driving licence, as requested, and it was the old paper one. They had to spend a long time on the phone to "management" before they sold me the fucking thing.

I didn't know we needed to prove ID for SIMs in this country.

 

[Spymaster]

OK. They are not. You are right and I am wrong.
By the way, a couple of months ago, I was told by my mobile phone company that I needed to change my SIM for a new one. An employee in the shop asked my for a driving licence or a passport, and was amazed when I said that I had neither. I recently obtained an OAP bus pass, and I asked it that would suffice. It looked like he was not going to accept, then his colleague intervened. I think it rather strange that I was asked to prove who I was, given that my phone was not registered in my name.

The main reason that mobile phone outfits want ID is because they’re extending you credit in the form of a phone bill. They want to be able to find you if you don’t pay it.

 

[xenon]

I didn't know we needed to prove ID for SIMs in this country.

If so, this is relatively new. DO Giffgaff ask for ID to order one online?

Ah, no you don't need ID for a PAYG sim from a high street store.

Looks like Giffgaff may ask for proof you're over 18 however.

 

[Spymaster]

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[Spymaster]

I didn't know we needed to prove ID for SIMs in this country.

You can avoid it by pre-paying.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

It worried me slightly for a second there. When I was in Tunisia they took gathering this data very seriously and even in Greece it was a bit of a faff, even when I'd got a SIM from a vending machine in the airport.

 

[PTK]

The main reason that mobile phone outfits want ID is because they’re extending you credit in the form of a phone bill. They want to be able to find you if you don’t pay it.

It is a pay-as-you-go phone.