"Digital driving licence"

[Tankus]

Sisters dogs got one,...


anyway, if your American and you've had the covid vax, your being tracked by the Italians from space..... , I think one of the more knowledgeable members of the US government mentioned it.

 

[SpookyFrank]

This is a good idea because it makes things more convenient

How?

Has there ever been a time when needing to carry a driving licence (which, again, you don't) has adversely affected your day?

Because pretty much every day I waste time waiting in line behind some fuckwit who has their debit card or train ticket on their phone but didn't bother to unlock it or find the correct app ahead of time.

And of course once everything is on your phone, as soon as someone nicks your phone you cease to exist.

 

[Pickman's model]

Google and Facebook already know everything about you and no one gives a shit, what's the problem with the government having your details?. A centralised ID store makes so much sense.

Yes, let's put everyone's information in one spot. Nothing will go wrong and it'll never be hacked.

 

[Pickman's model]

Google and Facebook already know everything about you and no one gives a shit, what's the problem with the government having your details?. A centralised ID store makes so much sense.

Do you remember this Cyber-attack on UK's electoral registers revealed and this PSNI: Major data breach identifies thousands of officers and civilian staff? And you think it a good idea to have a centralised ID store? You've not given the matter the thought it deserves.

 

[brogdale]

Yes, let's put everyone's information in one spot. Nothing will go wrong and it'll never be hacked.

WCPGW?

 

[WouldBe]

Your driving licence is already digital on the DVLA system hence police being able to check.

I've still got a paper licence, never got round to updating it.

Can't get a gov id as I don't have the required id to get one.

 

[Epona]

digital cards already implemented in many countries. so I'm glad the UK will be finally catching up.


it's simply the existing driving licence delivered in a different form.
really a change no different to when the plastic card was introduced instead of just the old big paper licences.

there's no way this can be "ID cards by the back door" any more than driving licences already are. (there's a fair argument to be made that they are de facto ID cards already. an argument for another day)


sucks though to be any of the nightclubs that have mandatory ID scanning as part of their licence conditions from the council and will need to replace their machines that can't take phones. but fuck them for not accommodating people with foreign digital cards already.

You do understand that not everyone has a smartphone, or data, or even a signal in some places where people live, right?

 

[xenon]

don’t really see the problem. it’s just a more convenient method for those who do have a smart phone to use their driving license as ID. expanding the scope where ID is required is a different argument however.

 

[WouldBe]

don’t really see the problem. it’s just a more convenient method for those who do have a smart phone to use their driving license as ID. expanding the scope where ID is required is a different argument however.

And if you don't have a driving licence.

 

[Aaronf]

I do have a smart phone and it would be more convenient for me as I often misplace my driving licence (I'm less likely to misplace my phone) but I've also decided I don't want everything about my life on my phone.

What to do?

 

[xenon]

And if you don't have a driving licence.

Then you won’t have a digital one. C’est la vie.

 

[Aaronf]

What if people don't have a passport either? It can't be compulsory to have photo ID, I wouldn't blame people for not having any. You just used to have to possess your birth certificate, now with technology it's all digital and I guess that national security is also a reason factored in?

 

[story]

This is a good idea because it makes things more convenient

It’s a shit idea because it makes things more convenient for identity thieves and data scrapers.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Just looked and they expire after 3 years? I'd have to take mine again That is if even could, starting to regret voting Brexit as proud of the qualifications I've got.

Drivers should have to sit the driving test annually anyway - so many of them are terrible at it.

 

[Aaronf]

Drivers should have to sit the driving test annually anyway - so many of them are terrible at it.

I agree, no-one's perfect but there's some idiots on the road. You wonder how they passed?

 

[freshapple]

How?

Has there ever been a time when needing to carry a driving licence (which, again, you don't) has adversely affected your day?

Because pretty much every day I waste time waiting in line behind some fuckwit who has their debit card or train ticket on their phone but didn't bother to unlock it or find the correct app ahead of time.

And of course once everything is on your phone, as soon as someone nicks your phone you cease to exist.

I have everything on my phone….

 

[girasol]

I can see the convenience aspect - especially the fact that certain data in the driving license would be hidden, for example, your address wouldn't be visible if you were using it to enter a club.

The voluntary digital option is to be introduced later this year, according to the Times. Possible features include allowing users to hide their addresses in certain situations, such as in bars or shops, and using virtual licences for age verification at supermarket self-checkouts.

UK to introduce digital driving licences to ‘transform public services’

I can also see the absolutely hellish aspect that if you lose your phone you lose yourself - in terms of practicality - so whilst I would use the digital ID version, and I use a digital wallet, I'd make sure I'd have hard copies in place I can remember - in case phone got lost/stolen. But even then, once you get a new phone it's just a matter of signing in again, as the data isn't stored in the phone anyway - but yeah, there's also the identity theft issue... There are so many ways this can cause issues - we have really made our lives complicated at this point.

My ultimate tech-apocalypse scenario is one where a digital war is waged and we lose access to all our digital data. Or electricity is simply cut off. Who needs bombs anymore?

I have to say I like the 'Clipboard Wielders' phrase

 

[PTK]

Not sure I follow... what circumstances do you mean?

Some employers require people they are recruiting to show a passport.

 

[PTK]

Sometimes one does need to. Tonight I am just about to go out and Lambeth council require clubs to scan ID of all entrants.

The weight is not a concern

So people who do not have a driving licence or passport are banned from clubs in Lambeth?

 

[brogdale]

Some employers require people they are recruiting to show a passport.

As I understand it, legislation requires all employers to verify "right to work" but, of course, not everyone has a passport, so the legislation does provide for some paper-based alternatives:

 

[Pickman's model]

So people who do not have a driving licence or passport are banned from clubs in Lambeth?

Sounds like a positive benefit not to have id

 

[Spymaster]

I can also see the absolutely hellish aspect that if you lose your phone you lose yourself

No more than you lose yourself if you lose your wallet now.

It’s a great idea from a convenience aspect. I’ve no problem with ID cards either. I’ve always been a bit envious of my European friends who can travel around internationally without passports, just by showing their ID cards.

The people who are against them are all tossers and wronguns who incessantly bang-on about the state, and anything that annoys those types, I’m all in favour of anyway.

 

[mentalchik]

Some employers require people they are recruiting to show a passport.

That's a standard now for nearly all employers.

 

[Spymaster]

That's a standard now for nearly all employers.

Not necessarily a passport, but certainly some form of ID. And that perfectly reasonable.

 

[mentalchik]

Not necessarily a passport, but certainly some form of ID. And that perfectly reasonable.

Yup.....worked doing room service/hosekeeping at a small private hospital for some years....there was a very serious problem once when they had taken on a staff nurse with an african background.....the other nurses were commenting that she seemed unsure of a lot of things, then a quite bad mistake, then a really serious mistake which thankfully got caught by another staff nurse.....they then discovered she wasn't actually the person on the ID and not at all qualified and she was got rid of sharpishly. Needless to say they upped their practices after that. Local mental hospital got stung big time when they got a big inspection and found to have quite a few un-documented workers....obviously the employers need to be better but there are issues.

 

[Spymaster]

Yup.....worked doing room service/hosekeeping at a small private hospital for some years....there was a very serious problem once when they had taken on a staff nurse with an african background.....the other nurses were commenting that she seemed unsure of a lot of things, then a quite bad mistake, then a really serious mistake which thankfully got caught by another staff nurse.....they then discovered she wasn't actually the person on the ID and not at all qualified and she was got rid of sharpishly. Needless to say they upped their practices after that. Local mental hospital got stung big time when they got a big inspection and found to have quite a few un-documented workers....obviously the employers need to be better but there are issues.

A sound example of why the notion that an employer should ever be prevented from thoroughly confirming the identities of those they employ in positions of trust (and that's everyone), is utterly ludicrous.

 

[nottsgirl]

Tighter right to work checks are a part of Theresa May’s hostile environment and they cause all sorts of well known problems for people who fall in certain groups. It’s not as simple as that.

 

[Spymaster]

Tighter right to work checks are a part of Theresa May’s hostile environment and they cause all sorts of well known problems for people who fall in certain groups. It’s not as simple as that.

It's very simple and nothing to do with the hostile environment. If you want someone to employ you, prove who you are.

 

[nottsgirl]

It's very simple and nothing to do with the hostile environment. If you want someone to employ you, prove who you are.

It’s got everything to do with the hostile environment.

 

[Spymaster]

It’s got everything to do with the hostile environment.

Nonsense. How has me safeguarding against employing a nonce as a babysitter got anything to do with the hostile environment?