"Digital driving licence"

[freshapple]

My wallet never runs out of battery and doesn't need 4G signal to work.

If I lose my phone, no one has access to the cards in it.

 

[SpookyFrank]

If I lose my phone, no one has access to the cards in it.

IME most people keep their cards in their phone case these days.

Because evolution is going in reverse now.

 

[freshapple]

IME most people keep their cards in their phone case these days.

Because evolution is going in reverse now.

I have cards on Apple Pay. Which doesn’t require a phone signal to work & isn’t usable without my eyes.

 

[PTK]

So your friend gave their name and address, rather than you?

Yes.

 

[PTK]

Await the early morning knock at the door...

"Yes officer?"

"It's come to our attention that your phone is repeatedly switched off, you don't have any 'loyalty' apps and your location isn't switched on"

.

 

[PTK]

So your friend gave their name and address, rather than you?

Furthermore, many years later I got a junk phone call in which I was called by my friend's name. Which shows what happens to your data.

 

[seeformiles]

If I lose my phone, no one has access to the cards in it.

Didn’t stop this thief:

'I watched in horror as thieves stole £21,000 and took loan out in my name'

Niall McNamee, 30, watched in horror as the thief 'took everything' and applied for a £7,000 loan in his name - despite face ID and passwords on his phone

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[PTK]

94% and rising.

If councils can give people airfryers government can do a deal with Alcatel

But what if you don't want smart phone?
You have to keep this thing chardged, and carry it around, for the covenience of others?

 

[freshapple]

Didn’t stop this thief:

'I watched in horror as thieves stole £21,000 and took loan out in my name'

Niall McNamee, 30, watched in horror as the thief 'took everything' and applied for a £7,000 loan in his name - despite face ID and passwords on his phone

www.mirror.co.uk

Sounds a bit suspicious to me tbh

 

[Spymaster]

Furthermore, many years later I got a junk phone call in which I was called by my friend's name. Which shows what happens to your data.

There are a myriad of ways that companies collect your data.

Avoiding mobile phone contracts, railing against license digitisation, and other silliness is just trying to close the gate after the horse has bolted and pointlessly inconveniencing yourself. Your data is already out there.

You have to keep this thing chardged, and carry it around, for the covenience of others?

Yes.

You need your phone for medical reasons and phone suppliers require ID. We live in a world where people are increasingly going to want you to prove who you are if you want to use their services, so either get the ID or do without the services that require it. Moaning about it is pointless.

 

[seeformiles]

Sounds a bit suspicious to me tbh

The point being that the value of a phone’s contents is an ever more attractive target for thieves. Idly scrolling through your phone in public without any awareness of your surroundings is like sitting with £500 in your hand. Putting all your eggs in one basket (phone wise) increasingly sacrifices security for convenience.

 

[freshapple]

The point being that the value of a phone’s contents is an ever more attractive target for thieves. Idly scrolling through your phone in public without any awareness of your surroundings is like sitting with £500 in your hand. Putting all your eggs in one basket (phone wise) increasingly sacrifices security for convenience.

Which is why I have Face ID enabled for my contacts.

 

[PTK]

Yeh the sort of bastards who force you to come out with an opinion

There are a myriad of ways that companies collect your data.

Avoiding mobile phone contracts, railing against license digitisation, and other silliness is just trying to close the gate after the horse has bolted and pointlessly inconveniencing yourself. Your data is already out there.



Yes.

You need your phone for medical reasons and phone suppliers require ID. We live in a world where people are increasingly going to want you to prove who you are if you want to use their services, so either get the ID or do without the services that require it. Moaning about it is pointless.

I have a dumb phone. Why should I get a smart phone? Is that not a tad wasteful, apart from anything else.

That I received a junk call for somone addressed me by my friend's name demonstrates that the phone company, which unethically passed on the data, did not have my data.

 

[PTK]

The point being that the value of a phone’s contents is an ever more attractive target for thieves. Idly scrolling through your phone in public without any awareness of your surroundings is like sitting with £500 in your hand. Putting all your eggs in one basket (phone wise) increasingly sacrifices security for convenience.

That's right. You don't wave around your debit/credit card.

 

[Spymaster]

I have a dumb phone. Why should I get a smart phone? Is that not a tad wasteful, apart from anything else.

Convenience. But if you don't want one, don't get one. Nobody's forcing you to have one.

That I received a junk call for somone addressed me by my friend's name demonstrates that the phone company, which unethically passed on the data, did not have my data.

Not necessarily unethical. When your friend bought the SIM card he probably gave permission for his data to be used. It's usually in the small print of contracts.

 

[PTK]

Convenience. But if you don't want one, don't get one. Nobody's forcing you to have one.



Not necessarily unethical. When your friend bought the SIM card he probably gave permission for his date to be used. It's usually in the small print of contracts.

Not necessarily illegal, but certainly unethical.

 

[Spymaster]

Not necessarily illegal, but certainly unethical.

Nobody forced him to buy the SIM.

 

[Aaronf]

Didn't actually realise this from the BBC article:

In the European Union, every member state is required to introduce at least one form of digital ID by 2026. Are we following it to keep up, I thought we weren't 'in' the EU anymore?

 

[PTK]

Nobody forced him to buy the SIM.

Really? That is your come-back? You need to up your game.

 

[Spymaster]

Really? That is your come-back? You need to up your game.

Don't be ridiculous.

Look. Companies collect and sell your data. That's a fact of life. It's the way business works nowadays. When you engage with these companies, you give them permission to use the information you give them. You don't have to. If you don't like it, do without the services they're offering. If you decide that you want those services enough to give them some data, do, and get the fuck over it!

 

[PTK]

Don't be ridiculous.

Look. Companies collect and sell your data. That's a fact of life. It's the way business works nowadays. When you engage with these companies, you give them permission to use the information you give them. You don't have to. If you don't like it, do without the services they're offering. If you decide that you want those services enough to give them some data, do, and get the fuck over it!

It's not freely given consent.

 

[PR1Berske]

Didn't actually realise this from the BBC article:

In the European Union, every member state is required to introduce at least one form of digital ID by 2026. Are we following it to keep up, I thought we weren't 'in' the EU anymore?

I suspect that governments would prefer to be "aligned" regardless

 

[PTK]

Why do people need to carry a driving licence? If the police have access to a database listing holders of driving licences, then surely all they need is to see an ID.

 

[Aaronf]

I suspect that governments would prefer to be "aligned" regardless

That makes sense, didn't think of it like that.

 

[Spymaster]

Why do people need to carry a driving licence?

They don't.

 

[Chz]

Speaking as a foreign muckamuck, my right to work and residency are all digital now. Saves me having to renew stamps or get a resident card renewed. I'm for it. But the way that works is it's tied to my passport and it's their connection that needs to work, not mine. I'm curious what will happen when Coquelles has an internet outage. For right to work, I log in and generate a temporary direct link for HR to check.

 

[bemused]

I can't drive anymore but I'd get a digital driving license.

 

[WouldBe]

I can't drive anymore but I'd get a digital driving license.

If you "can't" drive anymore would you be entitled to a driving licence.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have a dumb phone. Why should I get a smart phone? Is that not a tad wasteful, apart from anything else.

That I received a junk call for somone addressed me by my friend's name demonstrates that the phone company, which unethically passed on the data, did not have my data.

Sure there's an obvious reason why you've quoted me but I can't see it

 

[Cerv]

Why do people need to carry a driving licence?

nobody needs to carry a driving licence. not even if you're driving.

but for various reasons you do need to be able to provide proof of identity at times.

If the police have access to a database listing holders of driving licences, then surely all they need is to see an ID.

what ID would that be? the UK has no national ID document scheme.
hence the driving licence has become a de facto ID card as the next best thing. more convenient than passport anyway.