Perhaps they were just advertising that they now had all that stuff in stock.
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elbows
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I always keep in mind that they arent operating in a vacuum, it would be interesting to see if they would have to adjust their message if they were. Because they are used to operating in an environment where the public have had more than enough of the scarier stuff from the media, and other experts talking in the media, leaving the official public health mouthpieces to play the reassuring role.
It is fair to say though that the WHO did not like the 60% stuff, one of their heads of their emergency response to Covid-19 was complaining about it the other day, and saying that these sorts of numbers were not helpful at this stage.
Yeah thats one of the reasons I can sometimes be found boring on about why I dont take various mortality rates seriously at this stage.
I am difficult to please though because I do want such calculations and estimates to be done and shared, but I moan when they are misrepresented or when people take them at face value. I'm pretty sure my stance on all these things does feature a few contradictions at times as well.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Worth reading to see how again anecdotally but the (usually for HIV patients) antiviral Lopinavir/ritonavir brand name Kaletra or Aluvia seems to have been effective
This is what it feels like to have Covid-19 coronavirus
This is what it feels like to have Covid-19 coronavirus
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
That's a tabloid newspaper reporting on Channel 4's interviews. These concerns are very real.
Another told how "Patients get unreliable, inconsistent and potentially dangerous advice from 111. High risk patients are still being told to see their GP."
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
elbows
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Clinical info about the first case detected in Canada:
Part-timah
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Over 1500 deaths recorded.
elbows
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Good interview with an epidemiologist
Harvard expert says coronavirus likely now ‘gathering steam’
Harvard’s Marc Lipsitch said evidence indicates that the international cordon keeping coronavirus cases bottled up in China is a leaky one, and it’s likely that the relative handful of global cases reported so far are undercounted. If true, that will lead to widespread illness internationally...news.harvard.edu
I know on another thread we've been talking about the 60% could be infected in a year thing thats been doing the rounds in the media. Marc Lipsitch had his own version of that sort of thing, sying that if a pandemic happens, 40%-70% of people world-wide are likely to be infected in the coming year. But he wasnt too thrilled about being quoted all over the place without the full context of what he said, which included not knowing what proportion will be symptomatic. So he made a whole bunch of twitter posts about it, which can be read as a single thread here: Thread by @mlipsitch: I did actually say the quote that is going around, but the article contained vital context -- we don't know what proportion are symptomatic.…
What he is saying there is very quotable but I should resist the urge to quote a mere fraction of it.
Baronage-Phase
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
BREAKING NEWS - and it's great fucking news for the UK 8 out of 9 cases have now been given the all-clear & are being discharged. 
Meanwhile in France, sadly one 80-year old Chinese national has died, but 4 out of the other 10 are ready for discharge, and there's no concerns over the other 6.
Meanwhile in France, sadly one 80-year old Chinese national has died, but 4 out of the other 10 are ready for discharge, and there's no concerns over the other 6.
elbows
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Its not surprising to me that cases in some countries other than China have given us a better sense of the milder cases. In addition to that UK news, there are more signs of this from France:
From Guardian live updates page. 1h ago 14:13
From Guardian live updates page. 1h ago 14:13
weltweit
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An article about the potential of the factories of China to possibly restart work next week ..
Coronavirus: Much of 'the world's factory' still shut
Apple supplier Foxconn and global car makers have kept Chinese plants closed because of the coronavirus.
www.bbc.co.uk
weltweit
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My closest work colleague went to an exhibition last week, I know the risks are low but it might have been unwise. And there is a European electronics exhibition soon which has been cancelled after many of the more important exhibitors pulled out quoting the importance of the health of their workers.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
That's great newsBREAKING NEWS - and it's great fucking news for the UK 8 out of 9 cases have now been given the all-clear & are being discharged.
Meanwhile in France, sadly one 80-year old Chinese national has died, but 4 out of the other 10 are ready for discharge, and there's no concerns over the other 6.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
That's great news
Fucking is for Worthing, I can tell, the fucking panic, from some otherwise sane people, has been very distributing TBH.
weltweit
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The US plans to evacuate Americans from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the site of the biggest coronavirus outbreak outside China, officials say.
Coronavirus: US to evacuate citizens from Diamond Princess
The move comes as the global death toll from the coronavirus outbreak passes 1,500.
www.bbc.co.uk
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Just to add the GP that did 2 shifts at Worthing Hospital on Tue 4th & Wed 5th doesn't seem to have infected anyone, we're not totally in the clear until next Wed., but the odds are looking good.
* He was one of the cases discharged today.
* He was one of the cases discharged today.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The US plans to evacuate Americans from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the site of the biggest coronavirus outbreak outside China, officials say.
Coronavirus: US to evacuate citizens from Diamond Princess
The move comes as the global death toll from the coronavirus outbreak passes 1,500.www.bbc.co.uk
The UK & EU should be doing the same.
weltweit
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Do you know how many UK citizens are aboard?
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
This is a Chinese chef I follow on YouTube, he filmed his journey to visit his uncle in the countryside. I thought it was interesting that although they’ve closed the village to visitors from outside, there’s apparently nothing amiss in coming out of the village to meet at the checkpoint! Doesn’t that defeat the point a bit?! If the checkpoint becomes the meeting place, then those manning the checkpoint must be at greatest risk of infection.
not-bono-ever
meh
sniffle at work = mandatory 2 weeks off now
my team is just me at the minute
my team is just me at the minute
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I, like a lot of other people, cannot afford to take two weeks off work. I would expect this to be a major factor in rates of transmission if this thing goes big here in the UK.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
No idea.
My comment was with regards to that cruise ship, we should be bringing UK & EU citizens back from that, as we did from Wuhan.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Where has this happened?
elbows
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On a relate note to that question, since I have previously mentioned that I was expecting to get a better sense of pandemic potential in Feb/by the end of Feb, here is a brief mid-month report on where my thinking is at.
The threshold of inevitably has still not quite been crossed for me. But it remains only a step or two away. Nothing has happened or been discovered that makes me think a pandemic is less likely, quite the opposite. Everything from the various China numbers, numbers in some other countries, test capacity and reliability issues, anecdotes and reports on mild and asymptomatic cases, and what stages a risk of infection may be present during, makes containment harder.
I was previous working with some binary assumptions in mind, in the sense that I was thinking that the attempted containment phase, if it became obviously unsuccessful/a lost cause, would simply be abandoned and we would move on to a pandemic phase with very different restrictions and priorities. But it now seems possible that even if full containment is deemed a lost cause, we might have a lengthy period where various countries are still engaging in various forms of isolation, in order to attempt to slow the spread. But there is probably not much point saying more on this unless such a phase actually happens.
Some countries look like they have obvious potential to be the ones to bring us news and a change of message from the authorities that will indicate we have reached a new phase. As I have mentioned previously, Singapore has already set the scene for this with various public statements, and their statistics about cases they havent managed to connect to known clusters of outbreak are one to watch. Japan is another one to watch, not because of the disgraceful cruise ship situation and infections, but because of some cases popping up in various locations that might be signs of broader community spread. But I have some more reading to do on that one, some very recent official comments from Japan seem noteworthy but machine translation of Japanese to English isnt great, so I am not ready to talk about the detail of this properly yet at all. The USA might also end up acting as a useful beacon because I believe I read that they are now starting a broader detection effort in 5 locations. They will test people in these places who present to healthcare facilities with certain clinical symptoms (eg pneumonia) who dont fit any of the other criteria (travel to certain places, contact with known cases) and in this way, any broader community spread should eventually be detected. Of course it could also be events and discoveries in any other country that signal the need to move to a new phase, including the UK, but in the meantime the countries I just mentioned are where I will direct a lot of my attention.
The threshold of inevitably has still not quite been crossed for me. But it remains only a step or two away. Nothing has happened or been discovered that makes me think a pandemic is less likely, quite the opposite. Everything from the various China numbers, numbers in some other countries, test capacity and reliability issues, anecdotes and reports on mild and asymptomatic cases, and what stages a risk of infection may be present during, makes containment harder.
I was previous working with some binary assumptions in mind, in the sense that I was thinking that the attempted containment phase, if it became obviously unsuccessful/a lost cause, would simply be abandoned and we would move on to a pandemic phase with very different restrictions and priorities. But it now seems possible that even if full containment is deemed a lost cause, we might have a lengthy period where various countries are still engaging in various forms of isolation, in order to attempt to slow the spread. But there is probably not much point saying more on this unless such a phase actually happens.
Some countries look like they have obvious potential to be the ones to bring us news and a change of message from the authorities that will indicate we have reached a new phase. As I have mentioned previously, Singapore has already set the scene for this with various public statements, and their statistics about cases they havent managed to connect to known clusters of outbreak are one to watch. Japan is another one to watch, not because of the disgraceful cruise ship situation and infections, but because of some cases popping up in various locations that might be signs of broader community spread. But I have some more reading to do on that one, some very recent official comments from Japan seem noteworthy but machine translation of Japanese to English isnt great, so I am not ready to talk about the detail of this properly yet at all. The USA might also end up acting as a useful beacon because I believe I read that they are now starting a broader detection effort in 5 locations. They will test people in these places who present to healthcare facilities with certain clinical symptoms (eg pneumonia) who dont fit any of the other criteria (travel to certain places, contact with known cases) and in this way, any broader community spread should eventually be detected. Of course it could also be events and discoveries in any other country that signal the need to move to a new phase, including the UK, but in the meantime the countries I just mentioned are where I will direct a lot of my attention.
