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So what's the summary?
- First graph. Even if we have a really sucessfully quarantine/isolation strategey, because we cannot maintain it forever, we endup with an even bigger epidemic. So say if we stop quarantine/isolation at the beginning of september, country ends up with an even bigger problem.
"The more successful a strategy is at temporary suppression, the larger the later epidemic is predicted to be in the absence of vaccination, due to lesser build-up of herd immunity"
- Second graph, proposed solution, switch quarantine/isolation on and off depending on ICU demand. Once the number ICU cases reaches a threshold, switch quarantine/isolation on. Allow ICU cases to fall, once ICU cases are below a low level trigger, switch quarantine/isolation off.
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Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
I can. There's ongoing battle plans being drawn up by college involving distance teaching training for tutors, and I had to draw up a list of my most vulnerable learners today with a view to regular contact during any upcoming shutdown. Plenty of planning for next year to do, too.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
You are correct, he's talking rubbish. Exactly the sort of rubbish we don't need right now. Things are bad enough, and about to get a whole lot worse.
Flavour
hang the bankers
apologies, it was a mis-reading of a headline which made it seem as if it were the deaths for a single day, when in fact it was the total deaths so far. retracted. planetgeli if you've been following these threads you'll know i'm hardly a panic-sower
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Surely one of the issues in contingency planning is how to best maintain the staffing levels in emergency and essential services ?
Borders now closed to non-EU citizens. It’s not clear whether this includes the British.
Greece closes border to non-EU citizens. For Greeks, EU-citizens, travelers from UK… - Keep Talking Greece
Greece closes its borders to non-EU citizens as of 6:00 a.m. on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, head of C
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bimble
floofy
My work is to do with getting and reporting back on grants for charities & NGOs, mainly education stuff but all sorts of things here and in other countries, much of it working to help people at the bottom of the pile in various ways. Inbox is now full of people saying they are having to stop everything, their programs have ground to a halt in the middle or have to be cancelled or indefinitely postponed. Looked at all together its deeply depressing, so much good important stuff stopping just like that.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Posted this on Lock down thread. My latest from the City of London.
The City of London is already locking itself down without Boris telling them. Im no fan of the City and it means Im losing work but a lot of big City firms are leaving. They are thinking ahead. Acting responsibly for those who work there. I assume they are still being paid. These are people in high paid jobs who could do some work at home. Even if it means less work for a while.
I went to a City legal firm today to pick up a package. They are packing up all the computers and files to send out to peoples homes to work from home.
The only person there was the office manager.We had a nice chat and she gave me some antispectic wipes. Which in London are golddust.
As I said her and me are probably pretty safe from the virus in the City as hardly anyone in City compared to normal. She said the tube/ train was lot less people than normal.
The City was empty. Looking up at the big glass windowed offices and no one there.
Only postroom staff and security guards.
Looks like security gaurds will be ok job wise.
Looking like I may be in deep shit soon.
But as big business is doing a lock down before being ordered to by government this might help stop virus spreading .
Which may be good for the country as a whole. If not for the low paid who keep London going.
I will be working tomorrow anything new from London will let you know.
As West End of London and City of London did have large amount of people coming in from all over South East area too work in central London less people commuting will slow down spread of virus.
The City of London is already locking itself down without Boris telling them. Im no fan of the City and it means Im losing work but a lot of big City firms are leaving. They are thinking ahead. Acting responsibly for those who work there. I assume they are still being paid. These are people in high paid jobs who could do some work at home. Even if it means less work for a while.
I went to a City legal firm today to pick up a package. They are packing up all the computers and files to send out to peoples homes to work from home.
The only person there was the office manager.We had a nice chat and she gave me some antispectic wipes. Which in London are golddust.
As I said her and me are probably pretty safe from the virus in the City as hardly anyone in City compared to normal. She said the tube/ train was lot less people than normal.
The City was empty. Looking up at the big glass windowed offices and no one there.
Only postroom staff and security guards.
Looks like security gaurds will be ok job wise.
Looking like I may be in deep shit soon.
But as big business is doing a lock down before being ordered to by government this might help stop virus spreading .
Which may be good for the country as a whole. If not for the low paid who keep London going.
I will be working tomorrow anything new from London will let you know.
As West End of London and City of London did have large amount of people coming in from all over South East area too work in central London less people commuting will slow down spread of virus.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The Portuguese Govt have announced ( according to google translate and my poor Portuguese ) a ‘state of calamity ‘ in Ovar a small municipal area in the North that borders Spain . 30 cases and 400 contacts . What got me was the photo of the area being shutdown
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I had a argument today with security guard. Picking up letter from a big building in the City of London.
One signs out letters on a touch screen. So secuity guard puts the machine in front of me. I say Im not signing on a touch screen. Said Ive stopped getting people to sign with finger on my machine. He says I have to, I refuse. He gets the security manager. I say virus is going around Im just puttiing peoples names on machine not getting them to sign with finger.
The lady whose letter it is comes down to loading bay to add something else to package. She understands what Im going on about.
Tells security guard manager to let me have package without signing with my finger on touch screen. She tells him that Royal Mail have stopped this.
Security manager says he understands but its not part of there "procedures" yet.
I walk off saying its just commonsense.
One signs out letters on a touch screen. So secuity guard puts the machine in front of me. I say Im not signing on a touch screen. Said Ive stopped getting people to sign with finger on my machine. He says I have to, I refuse. He gets the security manager. I say virus is going around Im just puttiing peoples names on machine not getting them to sign with finger.
The lady whose letter it is comes down to loading bay to add something else to package. She understands what Im going on about.
Tells security guard manager to let me have package without signing with my finger on touch screen. She tells him that Royal Mail have stopped this.
Security manager says he understands but its not part of there "procedures" yet.
I walk off saying its just commonsense.
Dither and Delay
We - the left - aren't criticising Boris Johnson because we want him to fail, but because we want him to succeed. Unfortunately, the Prime Minister is failing and appears determined to make matters worse than they need to be. And so while it is welcome he has acceded to demands for daily press briefings following a welter of criticism, the first that took place today was a pretty shoddy affair.
There was his customary shabbiness. Not just the contrived pulled-through-a-hedge-backwards look, but the shiftiness and inability to answer straight questions with a straight answer. When asked about workers and what they're supposed to do during the period of Coronavirus-enforced isolation, Johnson said his government had announced an uplift in the living wage (sic) and "we hope the people listening to this will take away the message that they will be protected." Totally reassuring. Asked about respirators he side-stepped the issue, and he talked about restrictions but only offered advice and suggestions. Shambolic.
And about those workers. His non-answer meant nothing. There are ideas floating around in the right wing ether about enhanced sick pay and a temporary basic income, but all on offer today were platitudes and a recommendation one should work from home. Fine for those who can, but those who can't? Consider, for instance, the case of Richard Branson. While he rushed to the government begging for a £7.5bn bail out for the airline industry, his business saw it fir to put their workers on eight weeks of unpaid leave while he sits the crisis out snug on his private island. And where Branson leads, others are sure to follow. How are these workers and others looking at hours and wages drying up going to make ends meet? Johnson might have ignored this today, but he can't ignore it forever.
Also appalling was his recommendation that people avoid bars, cinemas, pubs, and theatres. Appalling, because he's basically consigned thousands of businesses to oblivion. As many have pointed out, business insurance only kicks in if the government shuts them down. By warding people away, many will be forced to voluntarily shutter to save money and not a few face going under, because their closure does not meet the terms of their insurance policies. Yes, support was promised to help small businesses in last week's budget, but how long do they have to wait, are they being contacted now about the help available, and how far back does it cover? Sadly, another of Johnson's oversights for which others will pay.
Yes, Johnson says his approach is guided by the science, which, in the UK's case, has significant holes. Even if the assumptions and modelling were correct, his job is tor provide the political response and the political leadership, to develop a biopolitics and necropolitics of Coronavirus. As Johnson's initial efforts show, this comes laden with all sorts of assumptions. His ruling class common sense is laissez-faire governance, of government presiding over the rules of the game (the Tories initially devised) and intervening only where and when it's deemed necessary to formulate this regulation, or address that upset in the equilibria. And this was how his time in office was supposed to be. Throw money at infrastructure projects, stoke the culture wars a bit, and get on negotiating a glorious Brexit deal. This prospectus has been destroyed by COVID-19. With everything seizing up, entire sectors of the economy staring down the barrel of ruin, and millions facing destitution on top of sickness, Johnson has to break with the governing habits that have served his class well these last 40 years. The logic of social necessity will compel him, as it has done every other European government, but at what cost while he dithers and delays?
We - the left - aren't criticising Boris Johnson because we want him to fail, but because we want him to succeed. Unfortunately, the Prime Minister is failing and appears determined to make matters worse than they need to be. And so while it is welcome he has acceded to demands for daily press briefings following a welter of criticism, the first that took place today was a pretty shoddy affair.
There was his customary shabbiness. Not just the contrived pulled-through-a-hedge-backwards look, but the shiftiness and inability to answer straight questions with a straight answer. When asked about workers and what they're supposed to do during the period of Coronavirus-enforced isolation, Johnson said his government had announced an uplift in the living wage (sic) and "we hope the people listening to this will take away the message that they will be protected." Totally reassuring. Asked about respirators he side-stepped the issue, and he talked about restrictions but only offered advice and suggestions. Shambolic.
And about those workers. His non-answer meant nothing. There are ideas floating around in the right wing ether about enhanced sick pay and a temporary basic income, but all on offer today were platitudes and a recommendation one should work from home. Fine for those who can, but those who can't? Consider, for instance, the case of Richard Branson. While he rushed to the government begging for a £7.5bn bail out for the airline industry, his business saw it fir to put their workers on eight weeks of unpaid leave while he sits the crisis out snug on his private island. And where Branson leads, others are sure to follow. How are these workers and others looking at hours and wages drying up going to make ends meet? Johnson might have ignored this today, but he can't ignore it forever.
Also appalling was his recommendation that people avoid bars, cinemas, pubs, and theatres. Appalling, because he's basically consigned thousands of businesses to oblivion. As many have pointed out, business insurance only kicks in if the government shuts them down. By warding people away, many will be forced to voluntarily shutter to save money and not a few face going under, because their closure does not meet the terms of their insurance policies. Yes, support was promised to help small businesses in last week's budget, but how long do they have to wait, are they being contacted now about the help available, and how far back does it cover? Sadly, another of Johnson's oversights for which others will pay.
Yes, Johnson says his approach is guided by the science, which, in the UK's case, has significant holes. Even if the assumptions and modelling were correct, his job is tor provide the political response and the political leadership, to develop a biopolitics and necropolitics of Coronavirus. As Johnson's initial efforts show, this comes laden with all sorts of assumptions. His ruling class common sense is laissez-faire governance, of government presiding over the rules of the game (the Tories initially devised) and intervening only where and when it's deemed necessary to formulate this regulation, or address that upset in the equilibria. And this was how his time in office was supposed to be. Throw money at infrastructure projects, stoke the culture wars a bit, and get on negotiating a glorious Brexit deal. This prospectus has been destroyed by COVID-19. With everything seizing up, entire sectors of the economy staring down the barrel of ruin, and millions facing destitution on top of sickness, Johnson has to break with the governing habits that have served his class well these last 40 years. The logic of social necessity will compel him, as it has done every other European government, but at what cost while he dithers and delays?
Very worried about power cuts, which i think are inevitable, i had one a month ago, out of the blue, fell over, couldn't find my phone or my torch, it wasn't off long, but being ill i felt very disoriented, etc, and anxious, I rang nat grid, they sent me some torches, but i don't think they do much more, buying a battery lamp asap.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I can relate to that, in the floods my electric popped, I only had my phone to use as a torch - my mistake. Now I have a head torch, my phone, a packet of candles, a candle stick, and a lighter. Not quite perfect preparation but rather better than before.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Sorry it was a bit late. I was tired and emotional.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Two days food supplies in London. Just in time hits home.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
If only there were some way of finding out...
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Really decent torches available now LED huge power.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Not necessarily. Power generation is as vulnerable to manpower shortages as anything else, and they're often very vulnerable - these days, most power stations are highly automated, which means that such people as are there are not exactly redundant: lose 20% of your workforce and you might be looking at a shutdown.
A power station with which I am not entirely unacquainted has, for the last two weeks, had very stringent contact rules (no outsiders onsite, for a start), and I suspect they've probably got their staff on hair-trigger self-isolation options, to avoid the risk of significant sickness.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
There isn't going to be power cuts, some people are just going mental, and need to get a grip.
It's the sort of thing you expect on facetwatter, but not on urban.
No it isn't, it is a clear possibility, there have been increasing amount of short term PC's already the laste few years
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Doubt it, we have massive electricity margins at the moment. The likelihood is that demand will drop so these margins will get bigger. If you get bored you can watch it in real time here: G. B. National Grid status
Fez909
toilet expert
Which were completely unrelated to coronavirus.
Please take the power cut talk to another thread
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Can you try again, in English?
