elbows
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I guess the prices will be good...
And maybe the tv advertising rates for them are discounted at the moment too.
I guess the prices will be good...
Bargain cruises marketed to Tenerife all inclusive types. We all get to step up.A fair point, just can't imagine they'd have many takers at the moment given the very recent tales of quarantine woe. (Also guessing a lot of people won't be booking any holidays at the moment due to the ongoing uncertainty. After all, who'd have predicted Italy being locked down a few weeks ago..?)
Am I correct in thinking its measures are more restrictive than Britain's?
But he stressed, “even if we call it a pandemic, still we can contain it and control it.
“It would be the first pandemic in history that can be controlled,” he said. “We are not at the mercy of the virus.”
He pointed out that the situation varied widely in the 100-odd countries that have so far registered cases, with 93% of all cases being located in just four countries.
“Whether it is pandemic or not, the rule of the game is the same: never give up,” he said.
Loads of adverts for cruises on the telly. Which seems a bit weird given all the recent cruise coronamagedon.
The cruise market had had a boom in recent years - this will knock it on its arseLoads of adverts for cruises on the telly. Which seems a bit weird given all the recent cruise coronamagedon.
Just read this on Twitter if this is anywhere near genuine we should all be fucking petrified
italy is basically triaging patients for ITU if you are old or have co-mobidities they are deciding not to treat you. i.e you are not worth risking material and man power to save within the capacity of the health system
let that sink in.......
I’m hoping it’s called out as fake.......
Just read this on Twitter if this is anywhere near genuine we should all be fucking petrified
italy is basically triaging patients for ITU if you are old or have co-mobidities they are deciding not to treat you. i.e you are not worth risking material and man power to save within the capacity of the health system
I hate to say this, but that's the plan that's been talked about in the hospital I work in.
Under a so-called “three wise men” protocol, three senior consultants in each hospital would be forced to make decisions on rationing care such as ventilators and beds, in the event hospitals were overwhelmed with patients.
One consultant said the “three wise men” protocol had been discussed at his hospital in recent weeks while another from the north of England said it had been raised “informally”.
Weakest patients could be denied lifesaving coronavirus care due to lack of NHS funding, doctors admit
Exclusive: Senior doctors criticise government's 'dishonest spin' over ability of NHS to cope with a severe pandemic outbreakwww.independent.co.uk
I'd just rather avoid unverified accounts being posted on this thread. There's another thread for that sort of thing, I think elbows intended this to be more grounded in reason and science, which I'm ok with even if it means we're a day or two behind the doom mongers on other threads
I hate to say this, but that's the plan that's been talked about in the hospital I work in.
What counts as “comorbidities” in this context? I mean exactly which existing / underlying conditions might disqualify someone from being thought worthwhile saving?
To be fair, every decision about ceiling of care is taken on the basis of whether or not with level 2 or 3 care you have a good chance of survival. The alarming part is patients not being reviewed by intensivists because they already completely lack beds (or even CPAP).Just read this on Twitter if this is anywhere near genuine we should all be fucking petrified
italy is basically triaging patients for ITU if you are old or have co-mobidities they are deciding not to treat you. i.e you are not worth risking material and man power to save within the capacity of the health system
let that sink in.......
I’m hoping it’s called out as fake.......
What do you mean? (sorry just unclear exactly what you mean by this, as don’t think it can be that pts won’t be assessed for level 3 care if they have co morbidities full stop)?I hate to say this, but that's the plan that's been talked about in the hospital I work in.
What do you mean? (sorry just unclear exactly what you mean by this, as don’t think it can be that pts won’t be assessed for level 3 care if they have co morbidities full stop)?
Just read this on Twitter if this is anywhere near genuine we should all be fucking petrified
italy is basically triaging patients for ITU if you are old or have co-mobidities they are deciding not to treat you. i.e you are not worth risking material and man power to save within the capacity of the health system
let that sink in.......
I’m hoping it’s called out as fake.......
I'd just rather avoid unverified accounts being posted on this thread. There's another thread for that sort of thing, I think elbows intended this to be more grounded in reason and science, which I'm ok with even if it means we're a day or two behind the doom mongers on other threads
I'd just rather avoid unverified accounts being posted on this thread. There's another thread for that sort of thing, I think elbows intended this to be more grounded in reason and science, which I'm ok with even if it means we're a day or two behind the doom mongers on other threads
As for the veracity of that twitter account, the detail and sentiment is pretty consistent with other similar reports. But I dont need to verify what they say anyway, we have data on number of cases in intensive care in Italy.
I have thrown together some of those numbers. There were plenty holes in the info I had for February, but I included a couple of Feb numbers anyway.
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do we know how many we have in ICU at the moment?
Just interested cos of the "we're two weeks behind Italy" thing. If the numbers match up then at least we have an idea of what the situation might be here at end March (if the govt don't do anything, which let's face it is possible)We as in the UK?
I've not seen a number like that. If we dont get such a number during our own epidemic wave, then I will feel rather blind. Might need the press or whoever to shout loudly to try to get this number, dunno.