Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[ska invita]

All bars & pubs in England to shut at 10pm from Thursday.

oh shit, things must be getting really serious

 

[ska invita]

Pandemic capitalism:

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it was being slated as going to cost £100 Billion, so you can imagine why, however this is getting into Covid Passport Territory

 

[magneze]

Is there data showing that the virus is a night owl?

 

[existentialist]

There have been 30 deaths in London in the past 5 weeks. City of 8 million and there are people calling for a full lockdown again. Proper madness

So what do we do? Wait until the deaths (the sequelae of up to several weeks of infection, hospitalisation, etc.) reach a point you consider appropriate, then address the infection problem? GTF.

 

[two sheds]

oh shit, things must be getting really serious

Worse in Cornwall, the chippies close at 8 o'clock.

I mean

why would you close a chippy at 8 o'clock when throwing out times are 10 o'clock (and normally later)

Eta: this is something Voley, Ground Elder and others could perhaps explain cos I'm fucked if I know

 

[existentialist]

Society: takes drastic action to avoid a catstrophe
Idiots: 'but there never was any catastrophe so all that stuff we did was a waste of time'

It's the "security problem". Security, done right means...nothing happens. And some pillock will inevitably come along and go "why are we paying all these people to do, effectively, nothing?". So they cut back, and then the shit hits the fan.

 

[elbows]

Triggles tune has evolved very slightly over recent days, so I shall record this day as the day of the Triggle wiggle, although its not much of a wiggle really, its the least he could do given his predictions from a day or two ago are already defunct.

Part of his latest positioning via the BBC story about 10pm closing time:

Covid: Pubs and restaurants in England to have 10pm closing times

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove also says that "if people can work from home they should".

www.bbc.co.uk

It seems inevitable that the virus will continue to spread - that's what respiratory viruses do during winter, especially one for which there is limited immunity and no vaccine.

But how quickly and widely is something no one knows. The risk of trying to suppress the virus is the government will soon find itself having to make another decision about further steps.

How far are ministers prepared to go? Every restriction that is taken has a negative consequence to society.

But the nature of the virus means lives will undoubtedly be lost the more it spreads. Balancing those two harms will define the next six months.

Thank fuck Triggle isnt in charge of this balancing act, since that would probably resemble walking a tightrope with shoelaces tied together.

 

[ska invita]

Hospital admissions are doubling every week, we are just 2 weeks away from where we were before lockdown in March - SEE THIS POST.

Deaths are also doubling around every 7 days, average 21 a day ATM, if that doubling continues we are looking at 336 deaths a day in 4 weeks time, and 1344 deaths a day in 6 weeks time.

de ja vu

 

[existentialist]

I’m not playing a persecuted victim, don’t make things up. I’ve given my opinion and I hope it’s right.

An opinion which, by your own admission, is unsubstantiated by facts. Strongly held views != factual proof. HTH.

 

[quimcunx]

If you don’t think the secondary effects of wrecking the economy won’t kill more people over the next several years than the virus will I can’t help you.

Apart from the cancer deaths because of all the people who missed scans, suicides die to loneliness, alcoholism. That doesn’t even take into account domestic violence, depression and other mental health issues.

How do you think allowing covid free rein will help? An overwhelmed nhs with many staff off ill or dead or grieving or isolating cant treat cancer patients. Do you not think covid itself causes mental health problems? You dont think abusers will abuse partners they should be nursing?

Pretending covid isn't a problem any longer doesnt make it go away.

As for Sweden do you think everyone just ignored covid and behaved as normal?

And what others have already said about the economy. Going back to the unsustainable 'normality' shouldn't even be an option.

 

[existentialist]

I’ll find the link on my PC tomorrow and post it. I can’t remember the site I read it in right now. I need to look at my history.

Yes. Really, you do. Look at your history.

 

[LeytonCatLady]

At least now landlords have to give you six months' notice before evicting you. Only till March, mind, but still a relief.

Government has changed the law so most renters have a 6 month notice period

Landlords must provide at least 6 months’ notice period prior to seeking possession through the courts in most cases.

www.gov.uk

 

[two sheds]

At least now landlords have to give you six months' notice before evicting you. Only till March, mind, but still a relief. Government has changed the law so most renters have a 6 month notice period Landlords must provide at least 6 months’ notice period prior to seeking possession through the courts in most cases. www.gov.uk ? I got this email from Shelter today (sorry about the formatting I just c&p'd )

Arthur, After being in place for six months, yesterday the government ended their temporary ban on evictions. If you are – or you know anyone who is – worried about being evicted from their home, we've updated our housing advice pages with the latest advice and guidance.​

​ Read our advice

From today, courts are open and they are beginning to deal with evictions. But this doesn’t mean renters can be evicted immediately. Landlords have to serve an eviction notice before they can apply to court, and for many renters that's months away. If a landlord has already applied to court there's currently a backlog of cases. This means courts are having to prioritise cases with very high rent arrears or antisocial behaviour.​

​ Share our advice

Since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, housing campaigners from all over the country, including Shelter supporters like you, have been demanding greater protections for renters. So far, over 8,000 supporters have emailed Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick, and 72,000 have called on the government to make sure everyone has a safe home during the crisis. We've helped build up pressure, and together we've made sure renters are better protected. Thanks for your support, James Campaigns team​

 

[two sheds]

hold on a second,

the health secretary

didn't realize that cv could spread asymptomatically

Matt Hancock has said he had wished he had known the coronavirus could spread asymptomatically sooner - despite the government’s advisers saying symptom-free transmission could “not be ruled out” in a document drafted in February.
The health secretary said not having a developed understanding of how the virus spread was his biggest regret in the aftermath of the UK outbreak, which has led to the deaths of 41,788 people and 136,330 hospitalisations.

Matt Hancock ‘regrets’ not knowing asymptomatic people spread coronavirus despite Sage warning

Scientific advisers said symptomless spread ‘cannot be ruled out’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Wilf]

Really?

I haven’t followed the thread really but was surprised flicking through at the amount of support for the lockdowns and face masks etc. Thought Urban 75 would be much more questioning. It’s really just an echo chamber here isn’t it?

That you Mr Corbyn (Piers)?

 

[Raheem]

Worse in Cornwall, the chippies close at 8 o'clock.

I mean

why would you close a chippy at 8 o'clock when throwing out times are 10 o'clock (and normally later)

Eta: this is something Voley, Ground Elder and others could perhaps explain cos I'm fucked if I know

The nearest chippy to me, before it got new owners, used to close for lunch.

 

[two sheds]

what does a chippy eat for lunch ?

 

[fishfinger]

what does a chippy eat for lunch ?

My local one buys takeaway sandwiches from the cafe.

 

[two sheds]

coals ... newcastle

 

[xenon]

what does a chippy eat for lunch ?

I bet there’s something about if there are only two chip shops in the town, go to the one where the other one goes, or something.

 

[two sheds]

I bet there’s something about if there are only two chip shops in the town, go to the one where the other one goes, or something.

then there's clearly nowhere else

 

[elbows]

I see that the Scottish half-term holidays in some places there are close enough that they are still considering that plan.

Scottish ministers considering strict new Covid rules, leak reveals

Local lockdowns in school holidays, travel restrictions and shutting hairdressers among possible measures

www.theguardian.com

Despite the holidays in England being a poorer timing fit with this viral resurgence, I have concluded that they may still keep this part of the plan anyway. Because we arent looking at 6 months of the same measures, they are clearly going to change different things at different times. So its not like they just need to get one date & set of measures spot on. There is a need to restrict some stuff now but they may figure that if they do a few of those things now, they might get away without doing some other stronger things till the October half-term period. I'm still not sure they will get away with that timing, but like I said, there are a lot of different things they can try in the meantime although having to wait a number of weeks to see how well they are working doesnt help either.

 

[Raheem]

what does a chippy eat for lunch ?

The very question that caused Confucius to renounce his life's work.

 

[two sheds]

The very question that caused Confucius to renounce his life's work.

and indeed how he got to work in the morning

 

[Wilf]

I bet there’s something about if there are only two chip shops in the town, go to the one where the other one goes, or something.

This sounds like a Last of the Summer Wine plot, circa 1974.

 

[elbows]

I suppose I will be tracking news reports relating to the risks from coinfection with Covid-19 and flu at the same time.

Flu and Covid-19 at same time significantly increases risk of death

UK scientists warn co-infection is ‘serious trouble’ and urge those at risk to get flu vaccine

www.theguardian.com

Its not really surprising that the likes of Van Tam are mentioning this issue given that they are trying to encourage people to get the flu jab.

There are several unknowns relating to how big an issue this will be, but I am really not looking forward to finding out. I hope the opportunities to really find out remain somewhat limited, or it turns out not to be as big a deal as feared. But I dont place much weight on hope alone in this pandemic.

 

[Mation]

Really?

I haven’t followed the thread really but was surprised flicking through at the amount of support for the lockdowns and face masks etc. Thought Urban 75 would be much more questioning. It’s really just an echo chamber here isn’t it?

Are you some sort of sleeper troll?

 

[elbows]

Are you some sort of sleeper troll?

Its more likely an example of someone whose approach to coping with and interpreting the aftermath of the first pandemic wave resulted in what I would consider to be a dead end that is detached from reality.

If I came to such conclusions myself and then ventured onto this forum, perhaps I too would be tempted to wonder why the majority here were singing a very different tune and had interpreted the pandemic so far rather differently. Perhaps I would invent some uninspired explanations for why most people here had settled on the rather different and incompatible version of pandemic reality.

Some people were no-nothing pandemic fools since before the start and never improved, others had a clue to start with but something in what happened later caused them to take a wrong turn. I would like to better understand exactly what that was in all cases. What exactly would they have needed to see in the first wave in order to stick to the idea that its a bad pandemic that was mitigated late via lockdown, and that until we have other options available we will have to keep reaching for crude tools to stop that magnitude and worse of horror from emerging again after the requisite infection buildup time? Twice as many deaths as we had under a late lockdown? Three times as many? Hospitals actually reaching and going beyond capacity everywhere? Not enough oxygen and ventilator shortages for them the first time around? Too much spare PPE, not enough dead Prime Ministers? 65000 excess deaths not worth thinking about compared to the everyday hardships of having to walk uphill to school both ways? Alternatively if the answer is just Sweden Sweden blah blah then I probably dont want to know after all

 

[Mation]

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Clearly we are at level 4 nationally, and 5 in some areas, and about to go to 5 on a national basis,

Apparently, for every doubling of the number of cases, we will move closer to lockdown by half the distance from where we are at the time, given that lockdown now only begins at level 5. Either that or we'll suddenly find there's a level 6, at which lockdown really, truly begins, honestly

 

[andysays]

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Apparently, for every doubling of the number of cases, we will move closer to lockdown by half the distance from where we are at the time, given that lockdown now only begins at level 5. Either that or well suddenly find there's a level 6, at which lockdown really, truly begins, honestly

insert photo of Johnson or Hancock pointing to volume control on an amplifier

"this one goes up to eleven"