Not this time .....
We'd devised a list between us, it was my time to go in today.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Not this time .....
We'd devised a list between us, it was my time to go in today.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
(there WERE goggles, too, tbf)
flippers and snorkel?
xes
F.O.A.D
under the seaAlso, on judging - I noticed that my neighbours (who have a lovely garden) had fucking wetsuits hanging out to dry today... ''
under the sea
social distancing's better
down where it's wetter take it from me
on the shore 2 meters you must be
under the waves it's 0.3
etc
(I was just wondering where they'd been and why)
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
There's just so much to despise, isn't there - beyond people going out.
The acknowledgment yesterday and today that SSP payments are too low to live on (Hancock agreeing, Gove swiftly moving on from the question today, the cunt), UC having been adjusted upwards, by £20 a week, even to meet that shitty rate...like it was ok before?
I'm frustrated at people not taking measures which are comparitvely easier, for a time, when our health system is so overwhelmed because it's been so deliberately run down, when there are staff there working themselves into the ground, without any remotely safe precautions in place for themselves, where that inevitably reflects on their capabilities to save lives - when money and magic IS so easily found, when acknowledgments ARE made in light of this. Homelessness, DV, it's all shot out into the light. What went before and what comes later are important. In the meantime, there are things we can do, though and it's not having fucking picnics or driving off to 'secluded' places and we shouldn't need policing in that.
The acknowledgment yesterday and today that SSP payments are too low to live on (Hancock agreeing, Gove swiftly moving on from the question today, the cunt), UC having been adjusted upwards, by £20 a week, even to meet that shitty rate...like it was ok before?
I'm frustrated at people not taking measures which are comparitvely easier, for a time, when our health system is so overwhelmed because it's been so deliberately run down, when there are staff there working themselves into the ground, without any remotely safe precautions in place for themselves, where that inevitably reflects on their capabilities to save lives - when money and magic IS so easily found, when acknowledgments ARE made in light of this. Homelessness, DV, it's all shot out into the light. What went before and what comes later are important. In the meantime, there are things we can do, though and it's not having fucking picnics or driving off to 'secluded' places and we shouldn't need policing in that.
It is so easy to whip up hate at the moment... I think this will be a conscious decision, to prepare the grounds for the general public being 'to blame' when numbers continue to rise. In todays frankly unbelieveable press briefing, this deflection was used (by Gove) in textbook style. After his medical colleague went off piste, mentioning the words 'avoiding the question', not once but twice, Gove swiftly swooped in with some irrelevant guff (answering nothing). When the journalist continued to press about uncomfortable details (testing, iirc) (again ignored), another hack appears on screen to insist the govt flag up conspiraloonery regarding setting fire to 5gmasts...because obviously, it is essential that the public are made cognisant that there are loons on social media.
So yep, I think it is almost inevitable that the public will be scapegoated, the police will be as heavy-handed as they can get away with and there will be public naming and shaming.
We need to allocate blame where it is most due - to the greedy, lazy incompetents (and their enablers) who have consistently failed to put people before profit...on every single level, for 4 decades of exploitation...not some dogwalker on the common.
So yep, I think it is almost inevitable that the public will be scapegoated, the police will be as heavy-handed as they can get away with and there will be public naming and shaming.
We need to allocate blame where it is most due - to the greedy, lazy incompetents (and their enablers) who have consistently failed to put people before profit...on every single level, for 4 decades of exploitation...not some dogwalker on the common.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'm avoiding the whole scapegoating issue until such a time as it might actually happen.
Because it strikes me that the things government etc are saying that people suspect are setting the scene for scapegoating, are mostly the same things that would be said in a desperate plea to actually get people to do their bit and adhere to the restrictions. Maybe there are some exceptions, but generally I'd say good luck separating these phenomenon.
Because it strikes me that the things government etc are saying that people suspect are setting the scene for scapegoating, are mostly the same things that would be said in a desperate plea to actually get people to do their bit and adhere to the restrictions. Maybe there are some exceptions, but generally I'd say good luck separating these phenomenon.
I caught only the latter part of that press conference live, and switched off before they started asking questions.
Am I right though in picking up that Gove said nothing at all about testing?
Am I right though in picking up that Gove said nothing at all about testing?
editor
hiraethified
It's still so strange to see long trains with no passengers pass my house. Rail travel in London down by 95%, and buses are down by 85%.
According to TfL numbers, around 162,000 unique payment cards – either contactless or Oyster – were used on Tube and rail services across London on Wednesday 1st April. This compares to around two million unique payments cards used on the same services on a typical day.
On the London Underground, including all other tickets, where there was previously around four million journeys per day at this time last year, TfL is now just seeing around 210,000 journeys per day on the Tube.
Reports of some overcrowding in the past week were put down to one instance of a train failure, and also some changed travel habits as people spread out their journey times so that the rush hour started earlier than usual.
Rail travel in London down by 95%, buses down by 85%
Since the order to avoid going outside unless essential, and avoid travel, passengers numbers on London's trains have plunged by 95 percent, while bus passengers are down by 85 percent.www.ianvisits.co.uk
masterful obfuscation. no substance...then did that thing he does at the end where he practically runs off screen
masterful obfuscation. no substance...then did that thing he does at the end where he practically runs off screen
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Tomorrow - warmest day of the year forecast - if today’s fuckwittery was owt to go by, tomorrow will be a clusterfuck of gigantic proportions!
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
It's the difficulty we have though - in separating personal responsibilty, where that is meaningful and where it makes a direct difference, against a gov who have actively dismantled all the means we have to do it.
It's an enormous, new health crisis, in addition to an existing political/social crisis.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Trekking to Everest base camp – by climbing the stairs at home
Virtual expedition team ascends 5,364 metres over five days in indoor mountain climbing challenge
The environmentally sensitive everest climb
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Trekking to Everest base camp – by climbing the stairs at home
Virtual expedition team ascends 5,364 metres over five days in indoor mountain climbing challengewww.theguardian.com
The environmentally sensitive everest climb
love it !!
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I once did an Everest climb on a stairmaster at the gym in my healthier days. Not sure I managed it in 5 days. In fact the real Everest climbers who the whole thing was supposed to shadow had probably been up and fucked off home for their tea by the time I huffed and puffed to the 'top'.
Edit: actually I've just watched the video, they only went to base camp, soft shites.
I went all the way to the top!
Edit: actually I've just watched the video, they only went to base camp, soft shites.
I went all the way to the top! 
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Learning disabilities patients told they may be ‘too frail’ for mechanical ventilation if they get covid-19
People with learning disabilities have been told by GP surgeries they are unlikely to be prioritised for hospital care if they contract covid-19, because they could be too "frail".
www.hsj.co.uk
The tiny village I live in normally has hundreds of people turn up at the weekend to go for walks, cycle rides etc. Just before the lockdown, it was utterly crazy busy. Last weekend and this, is been really quiet. So people are generally being good. The pub is closed, the shop only opens for an hour or so first thing in the morning and the car parks are all shut, so it’s very much “don’t come here at the moment”.
Despite all this, though, there was a pair of guys who turned up in a van with two trail (motor)bikes, which is inappropriate right now for a bunch of reasons, not least if they were non-housemates. I also saw two groups out with picnics and a few cars turn up and park before a bunch of people got out to go for a walk. I mean, it’s a perfectly fine place for them to keep their distance from others. But if everybody did it, we’d be back to hundreds of people milling around in the village again. It’s very selfish to take the view that you can get away with it because everybody else is being good.
Despite all this, though, there was a pair of guys who turned up in a van with two trail (motor)bikes, which is inappropriate right now for a bunch of reasons, not least if they were non-housemates. I also saw two groups out with picnics and a few cars turn up and park before a bunch of people got out to go for a walk. I mean, it’s a perfectly fine place for them to keep their distance from others. But if everybody did it, we’d be back to hundreds of people milling around in the village again. It’s very selfish to take the view that you can get away with it because everybody else is being good.
bimble
floofy
bloody hell. So the ventilators will be allocated according to a "frailty scale". Anyone know what that scale looks like?
Learning disabilities patients told they may be ‘too frail’ for mechanical ventilation if they get covid-19
People with learning disabilities have been told by GP surgeries they are unlikely to be prioritised for hospital care if they contract covid-19, because they could be too "frail".
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Supine
Newt Member
That article is terrible. It's trying to sensationalise the government's pandemic plan - which is actually turning out to be a good basis for dealing with covid. There is no smoking gun.
bimble
floofy
I have a really bad feeling about how this lockdown might play out over the coming weeks. Over 2,000 arrests in Spain so far apparently for breaking the rules. They close Brockwell park in Lambeth today, where only a tiny percentage of people have a back garden so where is everyone supposed to go for their daily exercise apart from the narrow pavements? If this goes on for a long time, which I think it will, there's going to massive issues.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
When going for exercise I try and choose the days and times when there will be least people. 7am, 8pm, cold, dark, wet etc..
People thinking they can just pop to the park on a sunny weekend lunchtime need to clue up.
bimble
floofy
Clue up how, by being fined / arrested ? I am not at all saying its fine for people to go for a picnic just that there is no way this will play out for weeks and weeks in densely populated urban areas where people have no access to outdoor space without very significant problems, of both enforcement and health outcomes for people including children living in tiny crowded flats etc. Just grim.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Google the Rockwood clinical frailty scale. AFAIK that's not the only way of allocating them if it's needed, it's just one of the ways that will be used to assess who gets the limited resources. Other issues such as current clinical condition, age, and co-morbidities will also be taken into account from what I've heard.
It's brutal but it makes sense I'm afraid.
hegley
never odd or even
More on frailty here: NHS England » Identifying frailty
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
That's exactly what the govt. said right at the start and everybody screamed at them.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The need to not die or cause other people to die is a greater priority than the desire for some green space.
It is totally unfair, and this situation is going to exacerbate the obvious differences between people, but that's just the way it is currently. Maybe afterwards it'll result in those differences being sorted out, but for the moment it's just shitter for some people and there's no way round that.
It is totally unfair, and this situation is going to exacerbate the obvious differences between people, but that's just the way it is currently. Maybe afterwards it'll result in those differences being sorted out, but for the moment it's just shitter for some people and there's no way round that.
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