Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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elbows
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Six dead kids from Covid so far this month, that's probably one thing they're sitting on
Official numbers for England and Wales from the ONS, based on Covid being mentioned on death certificates, has a total of 54 people aged 0-19 having died by that measure during the pandemic so far. Thats by week of occurrence up to 10th September 2021. Using data from the spreadsheet at Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I'm surprised at that, at both Sheffield uni's the phrase 'blended learning' has been banned. Practicalities mean it will have to be like that in some cases, but everyone has been told to go into work as if it were 2019.
mr steev
magic thought wizard
My daughter had a PCR test at a drive-through last week. Took the test at 9.15am and had the results emailed and texted at 2.15am the next morning. Which I thought was quite quick
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I'm getting a PCR tomorrow because someone I was (slightly) in contact with tested positive on two LFTs. However that person has now got a negative result from a PCR test that they took the following day. I'm aware that there is a false negative rate with PCRs - how high it is seems up for debate still. I think in their situation I would get a second PCR to confirm, but I don't know them very well and suspect they won't do that - they are blaming it on dodgy LFTs. So what is the chance that this person has covid?
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
So 54 in 18 months, or 3/month, except we don't know how many of the 6 Fruitloop mentioned are included in that number. So somewhere between a 0% and 100% jump, maybe, I guess? You'd expect any school-related bounce to show up in the Scottish figures first, really.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Six dead kids from Covid so far this month, that's probably one thing they're sitting on
Where are you getting this stuff from?
Facebook or twitter?
maomao
普費斯
Are you suggesting that PCR tests are inherently unreliable or that this is deliberate?
No idea, like I said it's anecdotal based on people I'm in contact with. But I've heard of several in person and more on twatter, when previously I hadn't heard of any.
maomao
普費斯
An anonymous Twitter account is not a source.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Looks like the twitter account is using this as a source
elbows
Well-Known Member
Well up until recent posts I had no idea what the source of info was.
Its probably legit, but I'll check the underlying data source for myself and will report back.
Child deaths during the pandemic are a feature for sure, one that has received very little attention due to (a) the small numbers involved and (b) the tendency to diminish such things because they usually involve children with underlying health issues. I am displeased with this phenomenon, although I find it hard to get the balance right.
Dammit teuchter, faster than me on the draw. Those are better than the ONS, although from those you can see that they're talking about the same data: Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics
elbows
Well-Known Member
ONS data is based on death certificates. Dashboard data is based on deaths within 28 days of a positive test. There is usually some variation between these two different measurements. And ONS data is slower to emerge.
Anyway I checked that website and it is indeed using legitimate data that can be downloaded from the official government dashboard. I have just downloaded that data and created my own charts, and they match what that website shows:
Here are the daily figures from July 1st onwards, to match the time period that is shown for daily figures on that website. And also the same data but stretching over the entire pandemic so far. These figures are for England only.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
But, these data sources don't support the claim that there's been '6 Child deaths so far in September', unless you include deaths in those aged up to 20, which is pushing it somewhat.
elbows
Well-Known Member
When it comes to children I recommend looking at studies specific to those age groups.
I recommend looking at the three papers linked to at the bottom of the following article. I never let the headlines and the framing about how incredibly rare these cases are put me off from exploring the detail that such studies also inevitably include. And there is almost always something of interest well beyond the central narrative that such studies generate.
Deaths from COVID ‘incredibly rare’ among children
Studies find that overall risk of death or severe disease from COVID-19 is very low in kids.
www.nature.com
I dont want to summarise all the bits I find interesting right now. It would be nice if someone else could take a look and pick a few alternative headlines that are supported by the data.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Regarding the media angle we've been talking about recently, I'm running out of steam for today but just a couple more things:
I've complained before that all sorts of data could be used to create all sorts of headlines and stories that we havent seen in this pandemic. On a number of occasions I have pointed out a bunch of stories I can tell if I separate various data into the different waves. Since the subject of children has come up, I shall probably repeat this exercise with a few different bits of data regarding children, sometime later this week.
The subject of the lack of recent international reporting has come up in the last few posts on the worldwide pandemic thread. That is an interesting area that I dont have time to comment on right now, but I will get round to it as soon as I can. Just mentioning it here to tip people off that were interested in the nature of media coverage, or lack of.
I've complained before that all sorts of data could be used to create all sorts of headlines and stories that we havent seen in this pandemic. On a number of occasions I have pointed out a bunch of stories I can tell if I separate various data into the different waves. Since the subject of children has come up, I shall probably repeat this exercise with a few different bits of data regarding children, sometime later this week.
The subject of the lack of recent international reporting has come up in the last few posts on the worldwide pandemic thread. That is an interesting area that I dont have time to comment on right now, but I will get round to it as soon as I can. Just mentioning it here to tip people off that were interested in the nature of media coverage, or lack of.
elbows is that the reporting that got a bit of a bad rap, because it divided the number of deaths by the total number of children in the UK, rather than the number that had actually had Covid? So in effect in somewhere like NZ where your chances of catching covid are much lower then the chances of dying from it are infintesimal, and at the moment as Covid-19 rips through the younger age-groups in the UK that number will have gone up significantly.
Supine
Newt Member
12 of my relatives currently down with covid. Three families, all caught from the kids. Anecdotally things seem really bad at the moment whatever the test numbers say.
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