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Vote tory, shove your head up your flue, and continue not succeeding
Do either of you know, StoneRoad and/or glitch hiker , what the exact rules were, about football fans at either Hampden Park or Wembley??
Hint : Gut hatred of the round ball game isn't necessarily (note emphasis!) the best or only guide to analysing infection increases in either Scotland or England, at this fairly football-dominated time
ska invita
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StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
According to something I read (and noticed locally to me) there were a lot of footie fans gathered in places other than Hampden Park or Wembley - it was that social mixing I was refering to, in addition to the main events ...Do either of you know, StoneRoad and/or glitch hiker , what the exact rules were, about football fans at either Hampden Park or Wembley??
Hint : Gut hatred of the round ball game isn't necessarily (note emphasis!) the best or only guide to analysing infection increases in either Scotland or England, at this fairly football-dominated time
[IIRC, back in the early stages of the pandemic there was a major spike traced back to an inter-village / pub footie match only about 50 miles from where I live]
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Anecdotally things seem suddenly pretty bad in Edinburgh as of the last month. Lots of cases in my kids' high school and many other schools throughout the city. Quite a lot of small business closed for ten days with signs in the door saying they've had cases. We had to do that in my own workplace just last week because one of the eight members of staff tested positive. Then I had to get a test for one of my kids on Monday and isolate again while we waited for the result (which was negative). Today one of the guys at work's girlfriend has tested positive, she caught it off her friend so had already been isolating for a few days so hopefully he won't be affected. But it just seems to be bloody everywhere suddenly.
elbows
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Yes, somewhat dependent on where you live, we are well into a period where people will struggle not to notice directly via their lives that the amount of infections is rather high again now.
Even if we were to 'get away with' this wave in terms of hospitals, a large wave at this time will make a mockery of the governments 'learning to live with covid' approach, in terms of the amount of disruption caused. I dont think the virus can be allowed to let rip in the younger working age and school ages without consequences for all manner of things including staff absence rates. That stuff is part of the reason they are so keen to change various rules to reduce disruption from self-isolation, but this wave comes too soon for that, and in order to 'live with' future waves beyond this one the overall numbers will need to be lower than they are this time around.
Its messy out there and I expect it will get messier. Our mass media is doing a poor job of capturing the current state of affairs, and as we've seen previously in the pandemic, they seem to have 'modes' which dictate the focus, the mood music etc. They have been happy to be mostly in summer ostrich mode. We will probably see signs of things reaching crunch point if they suddenly switch modes, as seen previously.
Here is a BBC story about the Scottish case numbers and the possible football link. Its socialising in general around things like the football that they expect makes this big a difference to numbers at great scale. So very much including watching games in pubs or at home with guests, not just the stuff we notice visually via scenes of large crowds etc.
Even if we were to 'get away with' this wave in terms of hospitals, a large wave at this time will make a mockery of the governments 'learning to live with covid' approach, in terms of the amount of disruption caused. I dont think the virus can be allowed to let rip in the younger working age and school ages without consequences for all manner of things including staff absence rates. That stuff is part of the reason they are so keen to change various rules to reduce disruption from self-isolation, but this wave comes too soon for that, and in order to 'live with' future waves beyond this one the overall numbers will need to be lower than they are this time around.
Its messy out there and I expect it will get messier. Our mass media is doing a poor job of capturing the current state of affairs, and as we've seen previously in the pandemic, they seem to have 'modes' which dictate the focus, the mood music etc. They have been happy to be mostly in summer ostrich mode. We will probably see signs of things reaching crunch point if they suddenly switch modes, as seen previously.
Here is a BBC story about the Scottish case numbers and the possible football link. Its socialising in general around things like the football that they expect makes this big a difference to numbers at great scale. So very much including watching games in pubs or at home with guests, not just the stuff we notice visually via scenes of large crowds etc.
Covid gender gap widens as cases surge in Scotland
One expert suggests younger men meeting up to watch the Euro 2020 football tournament is behind the increase.
www.bbc.co.uk
elbows
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Thanks, thats appreciated. I was hoping I'd have nothing much left to say about the pandemic by this point, but thats not proving to be the case so far
The Delta variant and the nature of the relaxation of measures means I havent even had any late spring/summer downtime like I managed partially last year. It would have been nice to at least have had a few more months where the data wasnt intimidating, but with this governments approach I'm hardly shocked that didnt happen.
andysays
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One thing that graph certainly doesn't show is any correlation between having a team in the Euros and rates going up.
Though perhaps Germany and France have different rules about getting together in bars to watch the games.
bimble
floofy
Well that looks stark as hell. How come those 4 comparison countries shown do you know?
ska invita
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Many remaining games are in Delta-Wembley so lets see how this all looks a week after the final
It seems inevitable to me that Delta will hit the mainland soon enough.
no idea sorry
Monkeygrinder's Organ
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Do either of you know, StoneRoad and/or glitch hiker , what the exact rules were, about football fans at either Hampden Park or Wembley??
Overseas fans haven't been allowed in so there won't be a massive spread from them back to their home nations as was suggested.
They do however seem to be letting in lots of officials and 'VIPs.'
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Anecdotally, I know of a bus load of Scotland fans who went down to London and all came back with Covid. No idea of course whether they caught it in London, or if one of their number already had it and successfully spread it to all of them, but I think it's hard to argue that the football hasn't had some kind of effect with tens of thousands of people travelling from across the country to both Wembley and Hampden.
bimble
floofy
i think i'm doing the riskiest thing i've done all year today, having a friend's teenaged daughter come to stay here for a bit from London. I don't think there's any point in trying to socially distance inside the house or anything like that is there. I am really just scared of the long covid.
Here's what the bbc says:Do either of you know, StoneRoad and/or glitch hiker , what the exact rules were, about football fans at either Hampden Park or Wembley??
Hint : Gut hatred of the round ball game isn't necessarily (note emphasis!) the best or only guide to analysing infection increases in either Scotland or England, at this fairly football-dominated time
Covid: Wembley VIP fans will face restrictions - minister.
Having to have 2 jabs a fortnight prior is very good. But you can still get in if all you've got is a clear test the same timeframe prior. That seems insufficient, though perhaps I've misunderstood
It's not football per se, though you are correct to infer I am not a fan. I make no secret of that. However 60,000 people?
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
elbows - thanks for all the data analysis that you do, most illuminating. Take care of yourself !
ref the footie and the other (sports) events, people going abroad etc.
Even with the almost 82% first jabs administered, I still don't think there has been enough time for sufficient immunity levels to have developed in the population for such easing of social contact rules.
Maybe three weeks after 90 to 95% have had the first jab ?
Better still to wait the two or three weeks after the second jabs for that same percentage of the population.
Then we might see covid under control [assuming no more new variants, especially one that evades the vaccine]
I'm pessimisstic that sufficient people will take enough precautions before the population reaches that level of immunity ...
Especially as the Delta variant seems to be spreading significantly among the younger sectors of the population.
[rumour has it that one of the most popular local secondary schools has loads of cases and has restricted access and our county cases/age heat map had a bunch of cases in 5 to 9 years olds at the end of March - now a similar spot in 0-4s at the moment.
I'm double-jabbed (back in early May, as I'm "old") but this Delta variant surge is making me more anxious than, logically, it should. So I am still taking all sorts of precautions ...
ref the footie and the other (sports) events, people going abroad etc.
Even with the almost 82% first jabs administered, I still don't think there has been enough time for sufficient immunity levels to have developed in the population for such easing of social contact rules.
Maybe three weeks after 90 to 95% have had the first jab ?
Better still to wait the two or three weeks after the second jabs for that same percentage of the population.
Then we might see covid under control [assuming no more new variants, especially one that evades the vaccine]
I'm pessimisstic that sufficient people will take enough precautions before the population reaches that level of immunity ...
Especially as the Delta variant seems to be spreading significantly among the younger sectors of the population.
[rumour has it that one of the most popular local secondary schools has loads of cases and has restricted access and our county cases/age heat map had a bunch of cases in 5 to 9 years olds at the end of March - now a similar spot in 0-4s at the moment.
I'm double-jabbed (back in early May, as I'm "old") but this Delta variant surge is making me more anxious than, logically, it should. So I am still taking all sorts of precautions ...
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
What happened with research thing? Events Research Programme - Science
Does it predate delta?
Does it predate delta?
I went to the first England game at Wembley. It was actually very chilled because of the very reduced capacity. At no point did I feel concerned about covid and I'm more cautious than most. I suppose the only time bodies were close enough was in toilets during half time and at the end but a few seconds stood next to someone doesn't seem like a major issue to me. Most areas of Wembley are either outdoors completely or large ventilated spaces. Plus if you only put 25k people in a 90k stadium there was a lot of space.
I have no doubt that the euros will cause a spike across the UK but I think it will be more about the travelling around in groups and people gathering to watch it on TV in various locations rather than what happens at the stadiums. Last year's Cheltenham & that Liverpool game got a lot of coverage but most things I've read now believe it was more about all the hospitality around the stadium rather than the actual live sport event element itself.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yeah it's definitely the related travel, gatherings etc that are the issue from what I can see. The actual grounds are very controlled environments, particularly somewhere like Wembley, (which is why the comparisons to raves etc don't hold up). You go through a fixed gate and are then in a fixed area, with mixing between those areas very limited. When watching you get a set seat. Etc etc.
A load of people gathering in the pub, or in Leicester Square, not so much.
A load of people gathering in the pub, or in Leicester Square, not so much.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
According to this weeks Private Eye UEFA threatened to pull games from Wembley unless their several thousand VIP’s were exempted from quarantine measures.Overseas fans haven't been allowed in so there won't be a massive spread from them back to their home nations as was suggested.
They do however seem to be letting in lots of officials and 'VIPs.'
Needless to say UEFA are being complete cunts as they are with everything they do. That being said with the situation in Europe and the situation in the UK I'd say the ship has sailed. They are more at risk of taking delta covid home with them then they are off causing a problem here. My thoughts anyway.
Merkel is right to be trying to rally fellow European countries against UK tourists. We are as we always have been a covid basket case.
LeytonCatLady
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'He's full of…': What the Queen and PM said about 'poor man' Matt Hancock
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Ha ha! Well, Hancock sure is full of something.
Are any of the people attending the football, motor racing etc etc the same people who wanted to lynch Cummings last year? He was widely blamed for people slacking off in lockdown because of his drive for an eye test, but, er. This is slightly worse. He's still a cunt of course but it's useful to cast your mind back to the outcry then.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
He was slated for breaking his own government's rules. Not quite the same is it.
If crowds are allowed at events of course people will go. If that's an issue it's a government issue not about the individuals involved.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Ah much more succinct. Better than my effort tbf.
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