Smangus
comatose at a desk
That's an obscure concept , rings very true though.
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That's an obscure concept , rings very true though.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
It seems there have been 9 deaths in a care home in Exmouth, 4 weeks after the residents had the vaccine. I know that is not the full 12 weeks that they now reckon gives very high immunity, but it would seem to ram home the message that you still need to be very careful even if you've had the vaccine recently.
2hats
Dust.
From where do people get these strange, mangled ideas?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
It really isn't obscure. Stan Cohen wrote one of the most famous sociological books ever about it.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Interesting study ...
Covid vaccine lowers cases in Scotland's healthcare worker families - BBC News
To me, that means reduced transmission.
Covid vaccine lowers cases in Scotland's healthcare worker families - BBC News
To me, that means reduced transmission.
2hats
Dust.
Smangus
comatose at a desk
Well it's obscure to me, as is that Stan fella, never heard of him or his book.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Our local rag's website publishes a list of the percentage of the adult population that have received at least one jab, on a per ward basis, which is interesting & reassuring.
The lowest figures are around 40%, which is roughly on a par with the national average, but raising to a whopping 60% in wards that have a lot of care homes and/or retirement bungalows.
The lowest figures are around 40%, which is roughly on a par with the national average, but raising to a whopping 60% in wards that have a lot of care homes and/or retirement bungalows.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
This is why we all need to get vaccinated.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
He gets cited in Wkikpedia at least Moral panic
But it was never really an unlocking was it? I mean the stay at home order is removed but its nothing really beyond confirming what loads of people have been doing anyway.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
You don't get much detail from this story, but am I right in assuming you don't get the vaccine if you are already showing symptoms of the virus? If that's the case, it would mean they probably got the virus after being vaccinated, but not long after. So, with all those ifs and buts, probably a case of getting the virus in the period before anything like full immunity had built up (or whatever level of immunity one jab does give you). Awful for the residents, the families and the staff, but not a particular worry with regard to the vaccine.
Covid-19: Nine deaths at Exmouth care home - BBC News
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yep. Last Summer was so much better in the sense of being able to drive to places to go for different walks. Being fairly high risk I wasn't actually going into places, but the variety was good. Since then I've walked through just about every street, beck and park within walking distance. I might work my way up to pub gardens when I've had my second jab, but a bit of walking variety will do till then.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Some people who get vaccinated will still die. I dont know why some people are having trouble building that concept into their understanding of events.
elbows
Well-Known Member
On this date a year ago was the 2nd disaster of a press conference of that crucial week, where people were realising what stage we were at and how much our behaviour would have to change, but the government were still trying to stick to plan a and still had the timing all wrong. A very partial recap of that press conference a year ago:
They said that we have moved beyond the contain phase, and are now in the (unfortunately named) delay phase.
They revealed that they wouldnt bother trying to test everyone in this new phase. Instead, people with a new, persistent cough and/or a temperature should stay at home for 7 days.
It was possible to sense a slight shift in some areas, eg having previously said mass gatherings were fine and not a big deal in terms of spreading the virus, they started using the same tack that the Scottish government had come out with - mass gatherings put a strain on public services in other ways, so maybe they'd have to think about halting them from that perspective.
Vallance tried to show a slideshow about pressing down on the curve but his remote control didnt work (part of the background story of how we later ended up with 'next slide please').
Vallance also said we were 4 weeks behind Italy, which enhanced my sense of how much they were fucking it all up. He also started going on about building immunity in the population, a theme he continued the next day and lead to government denials the following weekend that this was part of their approach.
In terms of getting the timing all wrong, they were also still claiming that the peak could be 10-14 weeks away, or that it could be even further away than that. The peak in deaths actually came 4 weeks later.
In terms of giving people clues about how long measures might need to last for, they were still going on about the downsides of closing schools and why they didnt want to do it, but did reveal that for school closures to be effective, they would have to last 13-16 weeks.
Johnson said that many more families would lose loved ones.
They didnt get an easy time off journalists because by then countries quite close to home had started shutting schools, Italy had locked down, unease was growing everywhere, football was about to grind to a halt etc.
It was a Thursday, and although they tried again on Friday to sell the plan, this was the last press conference before they had to dump plan a. It was the last press conference where quite this degree of error about the pandemic wave timing was on vivid display, although even then they only backed away slowly from such timing details, in order not to make it so obvious how wrong they had got it.
They said that we have moved beyond the contain phase, and are now in the (unfortunately named) delay phase.
They revealed that they wouldnt bother trying to test everyone in this new phase. Instead, people with a new, persistent cough and/or a temperature should stay at home for 7 days.
It was possible to sense a slight shift in some areas, eg having previously said mass gatherings were fine and not a big deal in terms of spreading the virus, they started using the same tack that the Scottish government had come out with - mass gatherings put a strain on public services in other ways, so maybe they'd have to think about halting them from that perspective.
Vallance tried to show a slideshow about pressing down on the curve but his remote control didnt work (part of the background story of how we later ended up with 'next slide please').
Vallance also said we were 4 weeks behind Italy, which enhanced my sense of how much they were fucking it all up. He also started going on about building immunity in the population, a theme he continued the next day and lead to government denials the following weekend that this was part of their approach.
In terms of getting the timing all wrong, they were also still claiming that the peak could be 10-14 weeks away, or that it could be even further away than that. The peak in deaths actually came 4 weeks later.
In terms of giving people clues about how long measures might need to last for, they were still going on about the downsides of closing schools and why they didnt want to do it, but did reveal that for school closures to be effective, they would have to last 13-16 weeks.
Johnson said that many more families would lose loved ones.
They didnt get an easy time off journalists because by then countries quite close to home had started shutting schools, Italy had locked down, unease was growing everywhere, football was about to grind to a halt etc.
It was a Thursday, and although they tried again on Friday to sell the plan, this was the last press conference before they had to dump plan a. It was the last press conference where quite this degree of error about the pandemic wave timing was on vivid display, although even then they only backed away slowly from such timing details, in order not to make it so obvious how wrong they had got it.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Israel has this post-vaccination event as 0.0003%, so possible but not often.
prunus
Tick tock.
3 per million inoculated post first dose deaths? That’s very good - have you a link to those data please? I’d like to see that.
How translatable that frequency is to the story at hand is related to that infection frequency of course - one assumes that not all the post first dose inoculants would have even been exposed - whereas it looks likely that a lot of this care home’s residents were (possibly even all?)
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Temperature?
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
37.2 so not high. Will try the 119. Thanks both.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If your temp ok I reckon you'll be fine
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
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