gosub
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See what happens after Chilcot. (for Brand Straw) and the referendum for Will personally
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See what happens after Chilcot. (for Brand Straw) and the referendum for Will personally
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
If Chilcot ever happens...
MAD-T-REX
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That depends on the silk. Someone who makes QC within a decade of becoming a barrister, like Starmer, is a very talented lawyer. Anyone who takes silk after 20 years of practice or more is most likely just competent and possibly pretentious.
gosub
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Yes, but barrister / solicitor are very different jobs, if I want all my paperwork to be legally compliant I'll see a solicitor, if I want to win a legal argument I'll use a barrister, halfway inbetween I'll call a lawyer
Erm... who that? Barristers and solicitors are lawyers.
gosub
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if i went into Linklaters or DLA Piper and started calling them solicitors they'd not be happy. (thought I'd get called up on public notary's, but never mind).
Rumpole QC's interest in Penge bungalows was nothing to do with buying/selling or inheriting them, (though he was hired through a solicitor)
Ah. "Lawyer" = expensive solicitor
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The person who comes down to the cell to see you when you get nicked is called the 'duty solicitor', though. So 'solicitor' can mean a bit more than someone who does conveyancing.
gosub
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Ah. "Lawyer" = expensive solicitor
to be used in competitive lawing rather than the mundane process stuff
gosub
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true but its still process stuff, don't rate you're chances if you're still using him/her weeks later to help build your defense
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I had a duty solicitor once who was really keen to represent me and my mate as he was outraged by what had happened to us (beaten up by coppers). He was young, and clearly keen to do more than just fill in forms. Hated the police. Good fella.
MAD-T-REX
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This is no longer true in criminal law, mostly for cost reasons. Defence solicitors build the defence and usually do the advocacy in magistrates' court cases themselves.
You need a barrister for long or complex trials because advocacy is their specialty, but they don't have much extra to offer in legally straight forward cases, which almost all criminal cases are.
gosub
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Live and learn but we are still saying being a barrister is a different kettle of fish and its a derail anyway that I'm not trying for
gosub
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Oh I do have an interest in what happens, an unchecked government is bad news. But just a spectator, not running in this race.
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youngian
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I think it's what's known as an apocryphal story. Like the Clintons stopping at a garage and Hilary's flirting with a mechanic: "I used to go out with him," Hillary tells Bill, "Just think if you married him you'd be the wife of a grease monkey," "No Bill, if I married him I'd be wife of the POTUS"
youngian
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It's common in the US for district attorneys to move straight to state governor but as former head of the DPP Starmer doesn't have to establish his gravitas up against an oily PR man like Cameron. And he has proven judgement that Major Jarvis probably lacks Keir Starmer: Sorry, Mr Blair, but 1441 does not authorise force And Murdoch and his minions loathe Starmer with a vengeance for his vigorous pursuit to prosecute them over phone hacking.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That, there, kind of sums up what's wrong with him, though. Who gives a fuck what the legal basis for the war was? It was wrong. It was the wrong thing to do. You don't need the law to tell you that. This was the libdem position on Iraq - that it wasn't legal, not that it wasn't right. From what I can tell of Starmer, he looks like a Charles Kennedy-style libdem.
youngian
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A lawyer? which is what he was when wrote it not a vicar. And one that believed the war was wrong and was looking for an evidence-based approach to give his opinions greater credence.
And how would wrong-doing in international relations be defined if no codified international law existed? Will leaders have to give you a ring?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, that's right. I was the only person who thought the war was wrong.
I wish Blair had called me, mind. I'd have told him not to do it.
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youngian
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Well you, me, Mr Starmer and millions of other people. If Blair is finally indicted at the Hague and convicted at least give the law a cheer then.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
From the Facebook Iain Banks page (nb, I did not write this):
Interesting quote from Mark Mardell, the BBC politics editor, referencing the Culture whilst talking about the new Labour Leader (spoiler alert)
"The climax of one of my favourite science-fiction novels by the late, great Iain M Banks, The Player of Games has the representative of a pan-species libertarian communist idyll of which Mr Corbyn might approve taking on a brutal, fascistic, authoritarian and warlike regime at a sort of violent hi-tech version of multi-dimensional chess.
He, unwittingly, plays their destructive game of conquest and revenge in a way that turns it into an artistic performance, a harmonious, complex ballet.
His opponents react with vast, speechless fury because he has done something much worse than beat them.
He has undermined their rules and their values"
Interesting quote from Mark Mardell, the BBC politics editor, referencing the Culture whilst talking about the new Labour Leader (spoiler alert)
"The climax of one of my favourite science-fiction novels by the late, great Iain M Banks, The Player of Games has the representative of a pan-species libertarian communist idyll of which Mr Corbyn might approve taking on a brutal, fascistic, authoritarian and warlike regime at a sort of violent hi-tech version of multi-dimensional chess.
He, unwittingly, plays their destructive game of conquest and revenge in a way that turns it into an artistic performance, a harmonious, complex ballet.
His opponents react with vast, speechless fury because he has done something much worse than beat them.
He has undermined their rules and their values"
nino_savatte
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I've made up nothing, whereas you have yet to construct anything that remotely resembles a coherent argument.
nino_savatte
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That's rich coming from you.
nino_savatte
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Is there any chance you could answer this question, MarkyMarrk ?
nino_savatte
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You're just a cheap propagandist.
nino_savatte
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He's dead. Didn't you get the memo?
nino_savatte
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He's only just become an MP. You're not very good at this, are you?
When do we get to see a picture of Ramsay MacDonald?
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