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MarkyMarrk said:
Shirley Williams predicting "the inevitable". I don't think it will get that far, but it could.
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Anyone with even a slight amount of socialism to their politics, would know that Baroness Williams (let's give these people the titles they so willingly took up, rather than implying that they're some sort of proletarians, hmm?) - like her friend Baron Hattersley - has the political insight of a baboon that has suffered death by electrocution. This is a woman so disgusted by any hint of socialism that she jumped ship from Labour with 3 labour-right colleagues.
 
J Ed said:
There is something that is very immature seeming about the current behaviour of right-wing Labourites. They hysterically lurch from molehill to molehill hysterically screaming about it like Kevin the Teenager.
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Learned behaviour. This is what the Labour right have always done, and because it's something they're historically-aware "works" (for them) insofar as it generates media interest that is invariably - and structurally - "on their side", they'll keep on doing it. If the media were more reflective and less blatantly politically-motivated, that wouldn't happen. As it is, though... :(
 
ViolentPanda said:
Anyone with even a slight amount of socialism to their politics, would know that Baroness Williams (let's give these people the titles they so willingly took up, rather than implying that they're some sort of proletarians, hmm?) - like her friend Baron Hattersley - has the political insight of a baboon that has suffered death by electrocution. This is a woman so disgusted by any hint of socialism that she jumped ship from Labour with 3 labour-right colleagues.
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Indeed. So Mr MM is taking the view of a Labour rightwinger who not only supported but founded a rival party?
 
belboid said:
Good old Shirley, twice helped the tories into office and sold the NHS. Not surprised you find her judgements sound.
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Some people unfortunately buy into the idea that if you're an old and/or ennobled politician, that you're somehow an elder statesman and a voice of reason. Williams is, and always was, a reactionary and a rent-a-quote for Labour-right/right social-democratic opinion.
 
J Ed said:
yeah but really what he is actually upset about it the most vulnerable in society being subjected to a Tory government, which is why he thinks that the Miliband shadow cabinet which included Rachel 'we will be tougher on welfare than the Tories' Reeves was too left-wing.
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As we know from the Corbyn/mass media interactions, how something IS, and how it is represented, are two different things.
So, the world has turned upside-down, and Reeves was part of a supposedly-left shadow cabinet, while Corbyn (a mildly left-wing social democrat) and McDonnell (left-wing but forever wedded to Parliamentary democracy) and their cohorts are "far left". It'd be funny if the "analysis" wasn't so blatantly skewed. It's obvious to anyone who bothers to look beyond the front page that people wedded to the current system, and who have been part of and supported that system for 30-40 years plus, are NOT "far left", and are not entryists seeking to dismantle the system from within. They're traditional quasi-Fabian ameliorationists who believe utterly in the current system.
 
editor said:
I love the BBC but I don't think I've ever seen such an obviously biased campaign against a politician. It's quite disgraceful. That is all.
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Not against a senior politician.
Can remember some pretty awful kickings given to people like Liz Davies, Dave Nellist etc for daring to be left-democrats, and the scare campaign against Militant was a disgrace, all of which went well beyond the Beeb's slavish line-toeing - much like the "anti-Corbyn" movement.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Not against a senior politician.
Can remember some pretty awful kickings given to people like Liz Davies, Dave Nellist etc for daring to be left-democrats, and the scare campaign against Militant was a disgrace, all of which went well beyond the Beeb's slavish line-toeing - much like the "anti-Corbyn" movement.
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Militant were portrayed as trying to bring Britain down. I was a child but the BBC coverage gave me the very strong impression that "these people were baddies".
 
Not much in point in blaming the media for your failings, if you want the top job you have to box clever. Leadership is about what people think you are, Cameron and his colleagues successfully portray themselves to floating voters as reasonable liberal right-of-centre politicians. They're nothing of the sort. Essentially winning general elections are about convincing the public you're more trustworthy in charge than the other schmuck. Policies are the easy bit you can just dress up the unpopular ones as something else if you have enough the savvy. If you haven't then you're probably not going to win an election anyway.
 
There's a well-told story in the Labour Party about Mandelson being dragged into a chippy during party conference and he points to the mushy peas and asks for the guacamole. I first heard that story from the Militant Tendency three decades before but it was about Roy Jenkins then. Except the punchline was; "I'll have some that green avocado stuff." Thanks to New Labour we're now posh enough to know what guacamole is.
 
youngian said:
There's a well-told story in the Labour Party about Mandelson being dragged into a chippy during party conference and he points to the mushy peas and asks for the guacamole. I first heard that story from the Militant Tendency three decades before but it was about Roy Jenkins then. Except the punchline was; "I'll have some that green avocado stuff." Thanks to New Labour we're now posh enough to know what guacamole is.
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The other one's about his selection meeting in Hartlepool in (I calculate) 1991.

He had of course been foisted on the Constituency Party by Head Office. He approaches the panel confidently.

"Art thou in t'Union, lad?"

(Puzzled expression) "Union?"

"Bloody hell. T&G it'll have to be. Sign here, lad."
 
youngian said:
Not much in point in blaming the media for your failings, if you want the top job you have to box clever. Leadership is about what people think you are, Cameron and his colleagues successfully portray themselves to floating voters as reasonable liberal right-of-centre politicians. They're nothing of the sort. Essentially winning general elections are about convincing the public you're more trustworthy in charge than the other schmuck. Policies are the easy bit you can just dress up the unpopular ones as something else if you have enough the savvy. If you haven't then you're probably not going to win an election anyway.
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I sort of agree with this, though I'm a little less cynical.
 
youngian said:
There's a well-told story in the Labour Party about Mandelson being dragged into a chippy during party conference and he points to the mushy peas and asks for the guacamole. I first heard that story from the Militant Tendency three decades before but it was about Roy Jenkins then. Except the punchline was; "I'll have some that green avocado stuff." Thanks to New Labour we're now posh enough to know what guacamole is.
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I've heard this a few times. Is it actually true?
 
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