Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[MarkyMarrk]

Flushed out a couple of people who clearly have no interest in helping Lavour get elected. "Who?... Must be a troll... He doesn't matter..." Etc

Absolutely no interest in what actually happens. Just posturing. I'd hazard a guess they haven't been near a campaign in the last year including the general election. I have, but get told to join the Tories in favour of these armchair warriors.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

MarkyMarrk Mate, you've made your point and no one agrees with you.

Might I suggest you actually move on and engage in the other conversations in good faith that are to come up on this thread than stomping your feet and having a tantrum?

It's just that at the moment you're turning this thread to shit, and I was rather enjoying reading it.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Flushed out a couple of people who clearly have no interest in helping Lavour get elected. "Who?... Must be a troll... He doesn't matter..." Etc

Absolutely no interest in what actually happens. Just posturing. I'd hazard a guess they haven't been near a campaign in the last year including the general election. I have, but get told to join the Tories in favour of these armchair warriors.

You taking back your made up bollocks yet?

Thought about taking your own advice?

Louis MacNeice

 

[existentialist]

Thought about taking your own advice?

Louis MacNeice

Seems to me that the Fuckwit General has just moved into a new phase of just tweaking noses to get a reaction out of people. I can't help but feel that a widespread strategic ignore, on this thread at least, of the moron's ramblings, might be a step in the right direction - his posting habits have all the hallmarks of attention-seeking, after all.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Seems to me that the Fuckwit General has just moved into a new phase of just tweaking noses to get a reaction out of people. I can't help but feel that a widespread strategic ignore, on this thread at least, of the moron's ramblings, might be a step in the right direction - his posting habits have all the hallmarks of attention-seeking, after all.

I agree - after my last post he became only the fourth poster I've put on ignore in my twelve plus years on these boards.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[killer b]

Christ, come on. While I've little doubt MM isn't arguing entirely in good faith, isn't screaming 'troll!' and 'liar!' at him for page after page giving him exactly what he wants?

FWIW I think there's a discussion to be had about the current polling, what it means for Corbyn & Labour, and how reflective it actually is of the views of the electorate. but it certainly isn't this one.

 

[editor]

I love the BBC but I don't think I've ever seen such an obviously biased campaign against a politician. It's quite disgraceful. That is all.

 

[Favelado]

I love the BBC but I don't think I've ever seen such an obviously biased campaign against a politician. It's quite disgraceful. That is all.

Some Scots might disagree with you. I wouldn't necessarily.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Christ, come on. While I've little doubt MM isn't arguing entirely in good faith, isn't screaming 'troll!' and 'liar!' at him for page after page giving him exactly what he wants?

FWIW I think there's a discussion to be had about the current polling, what it means for Corbyn & Labour, and how reflective it actually is of the views of the electorate. but it certainly isn't this one.

I haven't screamed troll.

I have said that he has lied, because he has, numerous times.

I've put him on ignore because I don't believe he has any serious intention of engaging with the actual substance of the thread; which includes a discussion of political polling and responses to it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I love the BBC but I don't think I've ever seen such an obviously biased campaign against a politician. It's quite disgraceful. That is all.

Quite a similarity between the BBC's coverage of Corbyn and that of The Guardian. Stretching and distorting facts, cherry-picking commentators and presenting their opinions uncritically, churning out a partial editorial line as if it were objective fact.

 

[Pickman's model]

Quite a similarity between the BBC's coverage of Corbyn and that of The Guardian. Stretching and distorting facts, cherry-picking commentators and presenting their opinions uncritically, churning out a partial editorial line as if it were objective fact.

the poor quality of british journalism

 

[killer b]

I love the BBC but I don't think I've ever seen such an obviously biased campaign against a politician. It's quite disgraceful. That is all.

They take any opportunity to get a dig in - on Today this morning, Justin Webb was interviewing a russian dude about the Litvinenko report, and asked him about Putin Some people - some senior Labour politicians - say Putin is a reasonable man, only responding to external threats - what do you say to that? (I paraphrase, but the exact wording wasn't far off...)

 

[killer b]

I haven't screamed troll.

I have said that he has lied, because he has, numerous times.

I've put him on ignore because I don't believe he has any serious intention of engaging with the actual substance of the thread; which includes a discussion of political polling and responses to it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Sorry, more of a comment on the general tenor of the thread than your posts Louis.

 

[ska invita]

I just can't imagine what would have to happen for the swing voters in English LAB-CON marginals (

A market crash. Look what happened in Greece - the dominant party ended up with 3% of the vote
...Osbournes own plans are of escalating cuts across two terms, peaking in 2018... The economy does win elections, and I am genuinely scared by what the near future holds. There's a lot of sick canaries down the mines.

Even without a systemic collapse the economy should be a key area to campaign on come the next election.

I've exceedingly bleak expectations of the medium/long term economic outlook, so we're probably on a similar page as far as that goes - but I don't think just waiting for bad things to happen is a sane political strategy.

btw, last week we talked about a market crash and its effect on Corbyn - its looking a lot more likely that is happening
What will be very interesting now is if
1. Corbyn can create a positive counternarrative that puts him and the party as somehow able to provide an alternative
2. How it will be reported / whether the austerity cheerleading in the press will falter
3. How much voices for Keynsian stimulation from mainstream economists will come to dominate in the media...

ETA; if this "downturn" continues and Osborne is committed to more years of deep cuts (he is committed and they are still to be implemented) he will be turned on by many economists of all hues

 

[littlebabyjesus]

btw, last week we talked about a market crash and its effect on Corbyn - its looking a lot more likely that is happening
What will be very interesting now is if
1. Corbyn can create a positive counternarrative that puts him and the party as somehow able to provide an alternative
2. How it will be reported / whether the austerity cheerleading in the press will falter
3. How much voices for Keynsian stimulation from mainstream economists will come to dominate in the media...

There is also the simple, crude fact that governments in charge during a crash get punished for it at the polls, regardless of whether their policies were responsible for it, whether the opposition might have done better, or what side of the political spectrum the governing party happens to be on.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

ETA; if this "downturn" continues and Osborne is committed to more years of deep cuts (he is committed and they are still to be implemented) he will be turned on by many economists of all hues

And to your edit, I have little doubt he would reverse that commitment if the economy nosedives. Thatcher abandoned monetarist dogma in the 80s because she had to. He wants to make cuts, but he wants to be in power more.

 

[ska invita]

There is also the simple, crude fact that governments in charge during a crash get punished for it at the polls, regardless of whether their policies were responsible for it, whether the opposition might have done better, or what side of the political spectrum the governing party happens to be on.

Yes, though Tories wear sharp suits and look like they understand banking - Corbyn would still have to win over public trust to some degree - and that means doing so through the media

And to your edit, I have little doubt he would reverse that commitment if the economy nosedives. Thatcher abandoned monetarist dogma in the 80s because she had to. He wants to make cuts, but he wants to be in power more.

hmmm...maybe...anyhow, not worth speculating too far in the future - all unknowable

 

[killer b]

I don't know if it's true anyway - there was various financial crises and recessions in the 80s & 90s that didn't seem to do the tories any harm.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't know if it's true anyway - there was various financial crises and recessions in the 80s & 90s that didn't seem to do the tories any harm.

Depends how big the crashes are. Following 2007-8, a number of European governing parties lost power, regardless of their left/right nature.

 

[ska invita]

I don't know if it's true anyway - there was various financial crises and recessions in the 80s & 90s that didn't seem to do the tories any harm.

Even on the scale of whats happening today Corbyn needs to develop that coutnernarrative asap

 

[killer b]

Depends on whether it supports your thesis or not, more like.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Depends on whether it supports your thesis or not, more like.

Do you dispute the idea that the governing parties, both right and left, across a large number of countries suffered at the polls post-2008?

 

[killer b]

Even on the scale of whats happening today Corbyn needs to develop that coutnernarrative asap

Of course. But expecting a tanking economy to do most of the legwork is bonkers.

 

[killer b]

Do you dispute the idea that the governing parties, both right and left, across a large number of countries suffered at the polls post-2008?

Why would I do that?

 

[ska invita]

Of course. But expecting a tanking economy to do most of the legwork is bonkers.

I know where you are coming from, i really do - nonetheless if I were him, considering how fragile his eggs are and how much everyone wants to break them, i would put them all in the economics basket. Safest place for them. The baskets lining compliments them and makes them look good to swing voters too.

Hows that for a metaphor!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ironic that you quote the times uncritically on this thread

It's hardly ironic. It's of a piece with his tactic of posting just about any old dog-spunk that supports his thesis, even when the dog-spunk - on closer reading - doesn't support his thesis.

Oh, and in case MarkyMarrk assumes that this post is "passive aggressive bullying", it isn't. It's criticism of his posts on this thread, and the fact of their paucity of substance.

 

[redcogs]

With a precarious economy the current media narrative (that employment in the Uk is in a robust position) isn't likely to fit with a different reality if investment dries up and closures accelerate.

Corbyn needs to keep the focus on a peoples response to capitalisms failure - no more money to bail out banks, but money to boost public spending and spending by the public..

Osborne's rug can yet be pulled.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hattersley on Newsnight saying that he thinks this is worse than the 1980s.

As someone who remembers Hattersley as a senior (self-confessed) right-wing-of-Labour politician who gloried in the demolition of the non-soft Labour left in the '80s, I have to say that "he would say that, wouldn't he?". After all, it serves his political successors well that he puts about such a narrative.

 

[killer b]

O god please vp - can we move on?

 

[redcogs]

The media might not relish the shift away from austerity politics towards sanity, but they do have to reflect the reality of acute economic instability, particularly if it gathers some pace. Keep your eye on a peoples quantitative easing Jezz, would be my advice.