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My eldest goes to secondary school quite a distance from us in Armagh city (it's really a small town with two Cathedrals). It's the nearest school with an Irish-language stream.

She and her local mates (from the republican heartland of south Armagh) were - and still are to an extent - taken aback and puzzled by by the strength of suspicion and outright hatred that some of their mates from Lurgan and Portadown have for 'Orangies'.

I explained that it was easy for her as she never grew up needing to know which streets were safe to walk down. Nor had she ever witnessed people being picked on because of their 'label', much less abused and assaulted. Walk a mile in another girl's shoes I suggested.

After 20 or so visits to Lurgan... which is a strictly delineated 'mixed' town... and includes a train journey through the loyalist citadel/shithole that is Portadown... which necessitates 'de-Taiging' wherein she and her mate check each other for outward signs of Taigery (No GAA bags or sportswear... right down to labels/ No Taigy newspapers / no calling each other by their real (ie Irish) names etc... before they set off... she now understands why they feel that way.

Happily she remains unaffected by it.
 
Chilli.s said:
Thread is a real eye opener, thanks to all the contributors. Dressing up this insane behaviour as culture? funding it from the public purse? policing it this way? unbefuckinleivable.
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But you haven't heard the really good bit yet .

As regards how this stuffs policed . Under the gfa and all that malarkey there's local policing boards . The local community gets to sit down with the cops and " hold them to account " . And guess who sits on those boards in loyalist areas ? That's right..the paramilitaries . Often there in the guise of government funded " community workers " . So just try...as a Protestant resident...to try and hold the police to account for letting loyalist paramilitaries take over your district . Forget about it .

This is all deliberately crafted . It hasn't gone wrong at all .
 
LiamO said:
My eldest goes to secondary school quite a distance from us in Armagh city (it's really a small town with two Cathedrals). It's the nearest school with an Irish-language stream.

She and her local mates (from the republican heartland of south Armagh) were - and still are to an extent - taken aback and puzzled by by the strength of suspicion and outright hatred that some of their mates from Lurgan and Portadown have for 'Orangies'.

I explained that it was easy for her as she never grew up needing to know which streets were safe to walk down. Nor had she ever witnessed people being picked on because of their 'label', much less abused and assaulted. Walk a mile in another girl's shoes I suggested.

After 20 or so visits to Lurgan... which is a strictly delineated 'mixed' town... and includes a train journey through the loyalist citadel/shithole that is Portadown... which necessitates 'de-Taiging' wherein she and her mate check each other for outward signs of Taigery (No GAA bags or sportswear... right down to labels/ No Taigy newspapers / no calling each other by their real (ie Irish) names etc... before they set off... she now understands why they feel that way.

Happily she remains unaffected by it.
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I lived down there as a kid . There's an invisible line in the main street...up by the library..you don't cross it . It's a bad place . Bad .
 
unrepentant85 said:
The orange lodge of Ghana comes in handy.

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The very first Orange parade I ever saw had the head of the OO of Ghana in a position of honour at the head of the march.

In the crowd watching were a bunch of nazi skins, who I later saw secure the future of their white children by vandalising a poster advertising gigs by Michael Franti's Spearhead.

That was 1996, and as we've seen on this thread, the fig leaf has become very worn indeed.
 
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abd to add to the wiki link.

actions of loyalists or members of the armed forces were those of individuals. actions of republicans attract the doctrine of collective responsibility.
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While one thing if the actions were actually ordered or
J Ed said:
Amazing how little we hear about any of this in England, it should be a national shame but instead it's totally ignored.
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These cunts should be on the news theres loads of crap talked about british values racism and rabid anti cathlolism arn't british values even lewes born fire night where they still burn a pope along with various other effergys its prefectly safe to be a catholic, you might have to actually explain what a catholic is let alone the diffrence between a catholic and protestant as most people in england dont know or care.
 
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o look at things from another angle , here's Belfast on St Patricks day . When the Fenians pour out of the ghettos and roam free around the city centre .

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Same city , different planet .

Actually that's a lot more " British " than the twelfth . When alls said and done .
 
I dunno, if you look at things based on historical precedents then the Loyalist terrorists shouting racist abuse are certainly being more faithful both to our history and the reality of our present beyond the facade.
 
toggle said:
Casually Red and LiamO

do you ever gety so accustomed to this shit that you stop going 'what the fucking fuck?' does the stupidity of it all become less shocking? or do you guys still need a big bucket of aspirin from all the necessary facepalming.
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I have to confess that the consistent, rank stupidity of unionists does actually surprise me at times. Not the things they do, but that they are deluded enough to believe they can still do them these days.

I do not share CR's pessimism for the future though. Nor do I share his view that the GFA legitimises and perpetuates the situation. I think there are two immovable rocks - that of the posho-fascists who actually run things here and the most lumpen elements of working-class unionism. Everything else is movable/changeable and to one degree or another in a state of flux.

From what I can see the majority of small U unionists are withdrawing from all things Orange in ever-increasing numbers - and the unionist brain-drain (not that they were overloaded with them in the first place) where young, educated unionists head to the UK for Uni, never to return, continues unabated.

They genuinely feel under siege from every angle. As yer man Kevin McAleer from Tyrone posited some years back... "You know you are getting old when Policemen start looking... Catholic!"

I will post a more considered view later in the week.
 
Being a Brit I equate Nationalism with the far right. It's funny how the wrong kind of Nationalism can put you at odds with them. Are the far right split on NI? Obviously British Nationalists will be for the crown but what do German Nationalists make of it? In fact it confuses me as to what Nationalism is. Does it always require context?
 
starfish said:
It pisses me off that they won't make public what he said. Stuff like this needs to pointed out. Bluenose bastard that he is.
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If you believe speculation it was something along the lines of "If you fenian bastards had dived like that on bloody sunday you would still be alive"
 
unrepentant85 said:
If you believe speculation it was something along the lines of "If you fenian bastards had dived like that on bloody sunday you would still be alive"
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I find that hard to believe on two counts.

1. Broadfoot would struggle to string to string a that sentence together - especially in the heat of the moment.

2. McClean would surely have chinned the cunt.

Interesting that it was a supporter who reported it... and that action was taken. So I assume it was a bit more than 'fenian bastard'.
 
unrepentant85 said:
If you believe speculation it was something along the lines of "If you fenian bastards had dived like that on bloody sunday you would still be alive"
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Has to more than that. Although not acceptable language, a 10 game ban for 'Fenian' would be a bit harsh.
 
unrepentant85 said:
If you believe speculation it was something along the lines of "If you fenian bastards had dived like that on bloody sunday you would still be alive"
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That seems rather too intelligent for the average loyalist tbf not that mclean is much better his latest antic was just :facepalm:
 
likesfish said:
not that mclean is much better his latest antic was just :facepalm:
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Don't agree. If you are somewhere where you have an expectation it will be played then fair enough. You can stand or get yourself offside. If it comes as a surprise, you don't have such a luxury.

He just got caught cold. I know plenty of english people who would not stand up for GTSQ, never mind Irish Republicans.

Happened to me when I worked on a Holiday Camp when I was a young fella. There I was, front and centre, in a long line on stage at the end of the Friday Night Show when the band broke into GSTQ. I never got caught again.

Funny enough they never played it during the six 'Scottish weeks', starting with the Ayrshire Fair (1st week of July IIRC). Too many Fenians about the place and fights were inevitable.
 
I remember at the time reading something along them lines on twatter, and I have seen a few folk saying the same yesterday and today.

The incident started when Clubfoot accused McClean of diving so that is where the diving reference came in.

I would imagine there was more said after by both parties.

Or it could be a load of bollox.
 
This is nothing compared to what they're doing in regards to Kincora. As everyone knows about Operation YewTree there is a concerted effort to review the level of historical child abuse among the upper echelons of society. But somehow Kincora has been excluded from this?

There have been many well grounded accusations about what went on here and the British government refuse to release what happened. One of the offenders is Leon Brittan whose role was released coincidentally just after he died.

I know other names who are living and can't say for obvious reasons but they've obviously got something to hide here. Complete whitewash yet again ignored by mainstream media.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...to-remain-says-theresa-villiers-31398813.html
 
Citizen66 said:
Being a Brit I equate Nationalism with the far right. It's funny how the wrong kind of Nationalism can put you at odds with them. Are the far right split on NI? Obviously British Nationalists will be for the crown but what do German Nationalists make of it? In fact it confuses me as to what Nationalism is. Does it always require context?
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always think it broadly divides along 'nationalism' vs 'national liberation struggles/movements' lines, one by its very nature reactionary and anti class conscious ( to a greater or lesser degree ), the other not necessarily , ie : national liberation as part of overall struggle, or precursor to wider struggle ( though this can easily fall into 'stageist' cul de sacs ).
 
Citizen66 said:
Being a Brit I equate Nationalism with the far right. It's funny how the wrong kind of Nationalism can put you at odds with them. Are the far right split on NI? Obviously British Nationalists will be for the crown but what do German Nationalists make of it? In fact it confuses me as to what Nationalism is. Does it always require context?
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Yes it requires context. The far right in mainland UK are exclusively loyalist in regards to NI. There are lots of links to Combat 18 there.

Without going into a spiel there are two basic forms of nationalism.

Reactive nationalism - people who live in a country whose identified population have suffered economic, political, historical subjugation and who want to redress such issues etc

Pro-nationalists - people who identify with nations and groups who have already subjugated other groups on these grounds and try to justify the past, present, and future actions of said groups through rallying around the nation.

Not to say the two don't overlap but there is clearly a moral issue to address there.
 
It's confusing because, in my eyes, the Unionists are the Nationalists. With their daft union flag bunting up and down the streets. The only time I've seen that in England was the silver jubilee when I was very young. So you can be Nationalist from a dominance or liberation pov. It still feels a bit weird it being ascribed to the latter.
 
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