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campaign against welfare cuts and poverty

Of course , Hain is banging on about the 600' 000 unfilled vacancies in the economy being filled by disabled people, god know what some of those jobs are,
escort agencies, etc?


Work is not some magical solution to people's problems. Work is pretty shit for a lot of people. The problem is that people will probably not be encouraged to find work that suits them, work they enjoy and work that isn't going to make their problems worse. In all likelihood, they'll be forced into any job to make the stats look good or they'll be put onto shitty New Deal type courses, where our tax money pays private enterprises to pretend to train people.
 
Just seen this in the New Statesman, Peter Hain justifying his shitty welfare 'reforms' in terms of contrasting his govts compassion with the tories who will just stop benefit completely, yeah right, its truly Orwellian.


Labour and the sick note

Peter Hain

Peter Hain on the Tories' plan to force the unemployed into work will fail.

In opposition, the Tories show they know little about dealing with the problems of poverty and worklessness that they helped create when in power. Their response to Labour's radical new approach to welfare, with its emphasis on creating skills, has been to become cheerleaders for the reactionary, discredited Wisconsin model of welfare reform, with its emphasis on unemployment and forcing all who can work into jobs.

As Gordon Brown signalled in a major speech on 26 November, employability rather than unemployment is the new challenge.

Over the past decade, huge progress has been made in reversing the Conservative legacy of entrenched unemployment, child poverty and benefit dependency, which tripled the numbers moving to Incapacity Benefit and cemented the "sick note" in the foundations of the economy.

http://www.newstatesman.com/200711290015
 
It's early morning and I'm confused. I'm going to read that again later and try and work out the essential difference between what he is arguing for and how it differs from what he is arguing against because they both sound the same to me.
 
Very interesting report out today from Joseph Rowntree Foundation "Monitoring poverty and social exclusion 2007"

Poverty levels in 2005/06 are the same as in 2002/03, indicating that government strategy against poverty and social exclusion pursued since late 1990's is now largely exhausted. Half of children in poverty belong to working families (which rather undermines the "work as a route out of poverty" mantra).

Pay inequality in the upper half of pay distribution is growing and overall earnings inequalities are widening. Not all those who want to work can do so and disability rather than lone parenthood is the factor most likely to leave someone workless - the authors state unequivocally that 'the ten-year old question of 'what security for those who can't (work)' remains unanswered.

The definition of poverty used is income poverty where a household has less than 60% of the contemporary UK median household income - in 05/06, this is £108 p/w for a single adult, £186 p/w for a couple with no kids, £223 p/w for a lone parent with 2 kids and £301 p/w for a couple with 2 kids. These sums of money are measured after Income tax, Council tax, and housing costs have been deducted so that the sum of money left is for everything else including food, heating, travel and entertainment.

Lots more to read in it.
 
does anyone know if i have any rights i have been told i must attend a new deal course its compulsory so it seems which means benefit cut dosent it for non attendance. I dont believe in them for various reasons and would happily join in a campaign to end them. Anyone know what i can do at the moment.
 
heartof gold said:
can you explain more though please about benefit cuts. How much do you lose and for how long?


Basically you have to accept education, training or work or you starve. Arbeit Macht Frei.
 
Anyone who is interested just have a look at the stuff on the disability alliance website, relating to current/future welfare strategy, one item indicated they are going to attempt to dissolve the notion of a disabled claimant!, all job centre, welfare to work, schemes etc, to be integrated with 'able bodied' so in a stroke, disabled people disappear, arbeit macht frie indeed! the second, (though there is lots more) is where they are taking 'best practice from, the most draconian welfare systems in the developed world, it would seem the DWP is now run not by civil servants but by revolutionaries, neo-liberal ones! all done by the former right on Peter Hain


' The proposals are based on:

* inclusion – helping disabled people and non-disabled people together on DWP provision wherever possible, rather than segregating disabled people purely because of their disability or by their ‘type’ of disability; '


'The DWP has also sought to learn from "best practice" internationally from the United States, Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands and elsewhere.'


link here, scroll down

http://www.disabilityalliance.org/index3.htm
 
treelover said:
Anyone who is interested just have a look at the stuff on the disability alliance website,<snip>

I'm sure anyone who is interested would do that or google for what they're interested in anyway. Are you organising some kind of campaign or a whinge in for the internet loons?
 
Spion said:
looks it. what are disabled etc organisations doing? are there any protests planned?
The big disabled organisations far from being representative of the people they purport to support, are, in my view, largely staffed by non-disabled careerists who use organisations such as Radar, Scope, Leonard Cheshire etc purely to tick the right boxes on their CVs. For the most part, these organisations are not representative of the groups they serve; in my experience, most people with spastic conditions, for instance, CP and hemi-plegia, do not belong to Scope – for that matter, they don’t belong to any of the formal disability organisations.

The only way we, disabled people, can get our voices heard above the hubbub of competing pressure groups, would be through grass roots organisations. However, organising, by its very nature a time-consuming pastime, is often outside the physical, mental and emotional capabilities of many disabled people – in short, we find day-to-day living on starvation benefits so physically, mentally and emotionally grinding; that the idea of organising ourselves into a cohesive fighting-back group is quite difficult.

Yet, we do fight back. We challenge government – I was part of a contingent from the Coalition Against the Welfare Reform Bill that met up with Anne McGuire last December – lot of fucking good that did. In the past groups like DAN have made a big impact – remember a few years ago the ‘blood’ on the pavement outside the gates of Downing Street.

But, disability isn’t hip. It’s at the shite end of the equalities – a case of, therefore but for the grace of god go I. While the press covered the Downing Street incident; this was a one-off. Some time later, during Labour’s first Welfare Reform, I was with a group that was holding daily protests outside Parliament – yes, you could actually protest with banners, placards loud hailers etc in front of the St Stephen’s Gate entrance!

As always there were lots of press milling around; sniffing about for something to fill the emptiness of their rags. On one occasion a Times reporter stopped for a chat; and, we tried to get him interested in the issue of Welfare Reform, the taxing of IB etc. He told us he’d only be interested in doing a piece if we were willing to perform a similar ‘stunt’ to that carried out by DAN – in other words invent sensational news for his fucking rag.
 
I'm willing to help in any way I can.
I am limited as I am agorophobic so cant actually get out and about, but I can help from my pc in any way.

Working for years and ignoring the extent of my depression and anxiety symptoms actually contributed to my current state.

ps I also think there are unfit workers currently working who shouldnt. Like those who dont admit they have depression/anxiety/mood issues, and who make their colleagues life a misery, by slamming around the workplace, saying "Im in a bad mood" and bullying weaker colleagues. "Out with the bastards, and onto the dole"
 
Urbanblues said:
The big disabled organisations far from being representative of the people they purport to support, are, in my view, largely staffed by non-disabled careerists who use organisations such as Radar, Scope, Leonard Cheshire etc purely to tick the right boxes on their CVs. For the most part, these organisations are not representative of the groups they serve; in my experience, most people with spastic conditions, for instance, CP and hemi-plegia, do not belong to Scope – for that matter, they don’t belong to any of the formal disability organisations.

The only way we, disabled people, can get our voices heard above the hubbub of competing pressure groups, would be through grass roots organisations. However, organising, by its very nature a time-consuming pastime, is often outside the physical, mental and emotional capabilities of many disabled people – in short, we find day-to-day living on starvation benefits so physically, mentally and emotionally grinding; that the idea of organising ourselves into a cohesive fighting-back group is quite difficult.

Yet, we do fight back. We challenge government – I was part of a contingent from the Coalition Against the Welfare Reform Bill that met up with Anne McGuire last December – lot of fucking good that did. In the past groups like DAN have made a big impact – remember a few years ago the ‘blood’ on the pavement outside the gates of Downing Street.

But, disability isn’t hip. It’s at the shite end of the equalities – a case of, therefore but for the grace of god go I. While the press covered the Downing Street incident; this was a one-off. Some time later, during Labour’s first Welfare Reform, I was with a group that was holding daily protests outside Parliament – yes, you could actually protest with banners, placards loud hailers etc in front of the St Stephen’s Gate entrance!

As always there were lots of press milling around; sniffing about for something to fill the emptiness of their rags. On one occasion a Times reporter stopped for a chat; and, we tried to get him interested in the issue of Welfare Reform, the taxing of IB etc. He told us he’d only be interested in doing a piece if we were willing to perform a similar ‘stunt’ to that carried out by DAN – in other words invent sensational news for his fucking rag.

Cheers for such a thoughtful post. I think it puts things into perspective without going down the cul-de-sac of: disabled people should be pitied/felt sorry for; or disabled people will be sent to 'death camps' or 'disappeared'.
 
durruti02 said:
did you check out LCAP yet?:)

I went to a meeting last week. Interesting. I wanted to go this week but I couldn't. It's definitely something I could see myself getting involved in.
 
Blagsta said:
I dunno about anyone else, but I'm sick of seeing people say "why doesn't someone do something" (yes, I know actually some people are, but y'know...).

Let's do something. I'm in south London. What I'd like to see is ideas for tactics/strategy on this thread and to arrange an initial meeting.

Anyone up for it? Or am I pissing in the wind?

I am up for it if you PM me Blagsta...I might even be of some limited use.....
 
I did say, some years ago, that Leonard Cheshire "Enable the Disabled" would illuminate the path to enablement to be poorer.

It is some years since the All Work Test got me. I was measured with a BP of 230/145 at test. A peak flow of 230 litres per min. And found fit for work.

So off I toddled and drew my 26 quid a week war disablement pension and nothing else. YES .. because when I went to get dole I was disallowed for being too restricted by lung damage in the work I can seek.

Having said that and no doubt there are genuine cases there are loads who are having the system over.

I know a couple. She works in a shop 16 hours and claims tax credit and child care etc and housing benefits. Her partner has another right to buy council house and he claims from that address .. incapacity plus full mobility allowance and carers allowance and housing benefits.

A tenant in the one house who is working and not cross reffing on benefits.

They are clearing 600 pounds a week with us buying two houses for them.

He is HGV driver now early 50s went on disability when he was 42. Think he has to be careful not to be seen using that chainsaw felling trees.
 
What to do ?

Go self employed and claim tax credit. Think about it ? If unfortunately you are making a loss it is counted as Zero Income and the entitlement to tax credit still exists.

And its legal.
 
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