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Wait, what?

They are FINING people? Not just a sanction?

Neither is better, but a sanction is a stoppage of benefit income. A fine would be them demanding money be paid back.
 
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Just heard of someone locally with severe cerebral palsy losing their high rate benefits and then of course their mobility car, ffs.
 
I honestly believe its shocking how some people are being treated but the issue is people without disability's claiming that spoils it for others. The government needs to do more around punishing false claim's to stop people from doing this. That way we can have money for the people who truly do need it.
 
Hurin85 said:
I honestly believe its shocking how some people are being treated but the issue is people without disability's claiming that spoils it for others. The government needs to do more around punishing false claim's to stop people from doing this. That way we can have money for the people who truly do need it.
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Why do you believe that the issue is people without disabilities claiming?
 
Hurin85 said:
I honestly believe its shocking how some people are being treated but the issue is people without disability's claiming that spoils it for others.
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Do one, Sweetie.

You obviously know sweet FA about either benefit fraud investigation, the fraudlines, malicious reporting, how it feels to be repeatedly investigated when you've done nothing wrong whatsoever, nor even how much sheer hard work it takes to fill in a claim form for any of the sickness or disability benefits.

I, on the other hand, have plenty of experience, direct and indirect.

Incidentally, money which isn't claimed on disability benefits doesn't go back into the pot for 'deserving claimants'; it goes into the general load of money sloshing around for things like Trident.
 
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Yeah do one Hurin85
Benefit fraud is something like 0.7% of payments (the figure is even lower for disability-related benefits). Underpayments of benefit due to claimant or DWP error are something like 0.9% but this figure is higher for disability benefits (and the figure would be way higher if the amount of people who don't claim what they are entitled to were included).
Benefit fraud hotlines and the like encourage harassment of disabled people and carers and other benefit claimants, and the whole political emphasis on benefit fraud (while the government cuts investigations into tax fraud) has led to increases in disability hate crime.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
 
in the face of a hostile benefits regime and the antagonistic relationships that causes, it's very difficult to feel like you can be honest with the DWP or often other people normally. Most of the time I try to avoid telling people I'm on ESA or that I'm disabled and suspect some would think I was lying about it if they did know and so I keep that in mind when hearing of benefits cheats.

Yeah, some probably take piss, many others have to learn to play the system to the best of their advantage because otherwise you lose out on what you should rightly be entitled to. You can be pressured to be one of the 'good ones' when navigating the benefits system as disabled or unemployed and you can easily get punished for it. I needed loads of help with the forms because if I'd answered the questions straight and 'honestly' how I first read them and began answering there's no way I'd have got anything, so the cheating is vastly more on the side of the DWP.

To me the whole thing seems to have been intended to be unfair and adversarial to frighten/force people into the labour market and increase the pressure there and the competition among people to lower wages and discourage workplace struggle. And I think that's always how they'll use those on disability benefits because of it's ability to function as a reserve of the reserve in the labour pool.
 
Hurin85 said:
I honestly believe its shocking how some people are being treated but the issue is people without disability's claiming that spoils it for others. The government needs to do more around punishing false claim's to stop people from doing this. That way we can have money for the people who truly do need it.
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Even the last 3 governments haven't been able establish a rate of fraud beyond 0.9%, and that fraud rate includes errors of payment on the part of the DWP.

Are you aware of what a claimant for either ESA or PIP has to go through? You have to minutely detail your disability, attend an assessment and - most importantly - supply medical evidence such as consultant reports in order to prove that you are long-term sick or disabled, and that you have the physical or mental issues you claim to have.

Talk of false claims is spurious. It sustains government bullshit about disabled people being scroungers and cheats, because people hear sentiments like you've expressed, and think "I bet they're all at it".

Suspicion is a horrible thing.
 
inva said:
in the face of a hostile benefits regime and the antagonistic relationships that causes, it's very difficult to feel like you can be honest with the DWP or often other people normally. Most of the time I try to avoid telling people I'm on ESA or that I'm disabled and suspect some would think I was lying about it if they did know and so I keep that in mind when hearing of benefits cheats.

Yeah, some probably take piss, many others have to learn to play the system to the best of their advantage because otherwise you lose out on what you should rightly be entitled to. You can be pressured to be one of the 'good ones' when navigating the benefits system as disabled or unemployed and you can easily get punished for it. I needed loads of help with the forms because if I'd answered the questions straight and 'honestly' how I first read them and began answering there's no way I'd have got anything, so the cheating is vastly more on the side of the DWP.

To me the whole thing seems to have been intended to be unfair and adversarial to frighten/force people into the labour market and increase the pressure there and the competition among people to lower wages and discourage workplace struggle. And I think that's always how they'll use those on disability benefits because of it's ability to function as a reserve of the reserve in the labour pool.
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Well said.
Where I live, I'm fairly open about being a claimant, but then I live somewhere that most people claim one benefit or another, and Greebo and I are also known to some as helping people fill out claim forms. It's definitely the case that most disabled people I know are more cagey than me, though. It's a sad truth that some people don't look beyond accusations, to see where the accusations come from, and why they have been made.All such people want is a scapegoat, an object of blame for their own failings. Rulers and governments throughout history have sacrificed scapegoats in order to distract from their own crimes.
 
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As a jobcentre adviser, I got ‘brownie points’ for cruelty | Mary O’Hara

Angela Neville, 48, is describing events she witnessed as a special adviser in a jobcentre that prompted her to write a play about her experiences.

“We were given lists of customers to call immediately and get them on to the Work Programme,” she recalls. “I said, ‘I’m sorry this can’t happen, this man is in hospital.’ I was told [by my boss]: ‘No, you’ve got to phone him and you’ve got to put this to him and he may be sanctioned.’ I said I’m not doing it.”
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The rhetoric Green is coming out today is really worrying.
Work as a "health outcome" - and linking getting sick and disabled people into work to making savings for the NHS (because of course those of us with long term health conditions suddenly need no treatment if we are working!).
Claiming most disabled people can do some work.
Implying that Jobcentre+ and NHS will be more linked, and that while SSP might be tapered to allow people to work a few hours, this will go hand in hand with more contact with employer, Jobcentre+, and GP.
Appropriating the language of disability rights.
 
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