Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I'd like to like this, but "someone called Esther apparently wants to take over the role" makes me not like it
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Be nice but I'll believe it when it happens, and I agree with Minnie, the apparent not-knowing of who Iain and Esther are combined with the knowing that some people would want to know about this makes me
the beeb has IDS going but no word on esther replacing- IDS is supposed to be off to defence
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
He'll be sending troops to war zones in just their underwear in an effort to save money
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Read on Beeb that McVague may be going the Miller route to Culture.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
didn't uberMensch briefly have Culture & media?
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Thats where Maria Miller. Ex minister for disability, was sacked/stepped down from. Mike Penning got her job in DWP.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Read on Beeb that McVague may be going the Miller route to Culture.
She'd have cancelled the Olympics if she got there sooner!
I wish she'd go the Miller route and resign.
Its Sunday so it is time for another leak form the DWP to the right wing Sunday papers, this time, its the Telegraph, "Accept therapy or have benefits axed",
If its not kite flying hope someone takes it up as a human rights issue, going more like the old eastern bloc countries all the time
If its not kite flying hope someone takes it up as a human rights issue, going more like the old eastern bloc countries all the time
Old news to me, I heard something about that last year. No, I didn't keep track of the source; why should I when nobody wanted to listen?
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
That assumes there is something accessible to you - waiting lists for some of these services can be significant - and are they expecting enforced therapy to work, or will the next stage be if you're not "cured" then you get sanctioned ?
I can also see some of the nastier staff seizing another the opportunity to sanction you; should your treatment and work search / signing on appointments clash .........
It also assumes that the officially approved treatment is appropriate for you - people with M.E. are still being forced to accept SSRIs, CBT, and exercise as the only treatment which NICE permits. Odd when that only works for (Oxford Criteria) Chronic Fatigue, not for M.E/CFS (Ramsey criteria). All well and good, except that the NICE-approved treatment can exacerbate the illness, to the point where patients are unable to complete the treatment.
BTW I agree that both of the outcomes you suggest are highly probable.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Thanks to all these cuts they've managed to save £1.1bn. Thankfully they're not frittering it away on expensive toys or anything.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28289331
It must be some comfort queuing at the foodbank and knowing that at least the money they've taken off you is going to a noble cause, lining the pockets of the board of Lockheed Martin et al.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28289331
It must be some comfort queuing at the foodbank and knowing that at least the money they've taken off you is going to a noble cause, lining the pockets of the board of Lockheed Martin et al.
It's only right. I know i'd feel better, as one of the many now so desperate they start opening their parcels and eating them on site, that the country is prioritising death and destruction over the welfare of it's own citizens. How else is Britain supposed to get back on it's feet?
Clearly this is all Labour's fault, giving money to the City who then give it to the tories to blame Labour for giving money to the City...
This forced treatment (Stalinist)was a New Labour idea, I think under Purnell
The thing is on the phone ins they seem to find people with say M/H problems who think it is a positive idea.
They are probably people getting no treatment at all who think that this will genuinely put them in touch with support. If there's no help at present, how will this scheme make any difference? What concerns me more is that people will be denied benefits while on the inevitable waiting lists. Support will of course ceom from the same people running the likes of the Work Programme, which means it won't be actual clinical/medical help, it will be another 'pep talk' from cunts. The salvation army claimed they had 'health advisers' when i saw them, but that never materialised. Instead their WP people just told me they weren't trained and without a nurse on hand they weren't interested.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The "single treatment pathway" was prior to Purnell, and was a health dept decision (under Hutton?) long before Purnell got to the DWP.
superfly101
Well-Known Member
This is run as part of the DWPs Health Work Wellbeing program.
Currently INGUS are running the pilots
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...allowance-health-care-pilot-provider-guidance
A quite insightful piece http://www.w2wsolutions.co.uk/news-article/dwp-pilot-scheme-for-esa-claimants/476
Currently INGUS are running the pilots
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...allowance-health-care-pilot-provider-guidance
A quite insightful piece http://www.w2wsolutions.co.uk/news-article/dwp-pilot-scheme-for-esa-claimants/476
So i was right: privateers are running the show. It's NHS privatisation by the backdoor. I wonder what the DWP work psychology department has to say about this?
According to the guidelines:
That doesn't sit right with me. It smacks of disability denial.
It's just the Work Programme: get the claimant to sign an action plan and a programme of support of some kind. I would hope the patient's GP takes a very good look at this vefore agreeing to allow this. Wishful thinking I guess.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
http://www.diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.co.uk/
Just been looking at Sue Marsh's site, 'Diary of a Benefit Scrounger', no mention of this, but very weird stuff about a cross party campaign with no clear details.
Just been looking at Sue Marsh's site, 'Diary of a Benefit Scrounger', no mention of this, but very weird stuff about a cross party campaign with no clear details.
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Yeah I'm not following that at all.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
She, Marsh, was tweeting on twatter about approaching UKIP to schmooze for support with Spartacus, WOW, Beyond Barriers etc.
All of the above are under a new label now. The name escapes me for the moment.
Atos keep the contract providing IT services to support work capability assessments after it steps down as the main supplier next year.
LIMA lives on..
DWP awards Atos £10 million IT contract for healthcare assessments
Atos to continue providing IT for controversial work capability tests despite paying to exit contract early
All of the above are under a new label now. The name escapes me for the moment.
Atos keep the contract providing IT services to support work capability assessments after it steps down as the main supplier next year.
LIMA lives on..
DWP awards Atos £10 million IT contract for healthcare assessments
Atos to continue providing IT for controversial work capability tests despite paying to exit contract early
Wha?
I don't get that at all; do they own the LIMA software out something?
TBF I don't think Sue is a fan of ukip, at least I hope not. Though I'm not entirely sure what she's trying to achieve since such cross party support is ridiculous.
Someone on here was sceptical about her but never got find to explaining fully why. Is it just because she is somewhat close to labour?
I don't get that at all; do they own the LIMA software out something?
TBF I don't think Sue is a fan of ukip, at least I hope not. Though I'm not entirely sure what she's trying to achieve since such cross party support is ridiculous.
Someone on here was sceptical about her but never got find to explaining fully why. Is it just because she is somewhat close to labour?
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Yeah AW. Lima is an Atos built software designed with UNUM disability denial tactics in mind. New contractors will use it in future WCAs.
Yep, I'm very sceptical of Sue Marsh.
Sparty, WOW, Breaking Barriers etc, seem to be off doing what they think best regardless of the thoughts of other disability groups or people. It's all become very academic political.
The Breaking Barriers paper was, to many, WCA MkII with added social workers in your knicker drawer.
Yep, I'm very sceptical of Sue Marsh.
Sparty, WOW, Breaking Barriers etc, seem to be off doing what they think best regardless of the thoughts of other disability groups or people. It's all become very academic political.
The Breaking Barriers paper was, to many, WCA MkII with added social workers in your knicker drawer.
superfly101
Well-Known Member
What don't you get?
The DWP own the rights to the LIMA software.
ATOS developed and maintain LIMA for the DWP - the DWP paid/pays them to do this.
ATOS pays the DWP a fee to use LIMA in it test centers.
ATOS also pays the DWP for the exclusive 3rd party distribution license on LIMA.
What this means in practice is.......
You want to use LIMA - you pay ATOS for the privilege as it holds the distribution license. ATOS then pays a set fee to the DWP for that privilege.
Now ATOS will have done a deal with the DWP to develop/maintain/fix LIMA so the DWP pay ATOS to do this.
There's at least 2 contracts here that are completely separate.
ATOS have given up/walked away from the actual testing of people contract.
ATOS still have the above IT services contracts.
The DWP own the rights to the LIMA software.
ATOS developed and maintain LIMA for the DWP - the DWP paid/pays them to do this.
ATOS pays the DWP a fee to use LIMA in it test centers.
ATOS also pays the DWP for the exclusive 3rd party distribution license on LIMA.
What this means in practice is.......
You want to use LIMA - you pay ATOS for the privilege as it holds the distribution license. ATOS then pays a set fee to the DWP for that privilege.
Now ATOS will have done a deal with the DWP to develop/maintain/fix LIMA so the DWP pay ATOS to do this.
There's at least 2 contracts here that are completely separate.
ATOS have given up/walked away from the actual testing of people contract.
ATOS still have the above IT services contracts.
Well, to play devil's advocate, she would refute that - presumably. She did an interview with Shouty Taxi Man a couple of months aback where she explicitly acknowledge the problems with labour.
But this new plan, without her explaining what she wants it sounds ridiculous.
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