BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[flypanam]

Personally I'm loving it. Not the whole Brexit thing because that is infuriating and scary in equal measure, I'm just loving watching the tories tearing each other and themselves to pieces.

Yeah, and where else would you get this peice of drama, I mean when his felow UKIP mep punched him, the doctors must they must have checked to see if there was any brain left.
► VIDEO: British MEP denounces 'traitors' for denying terminally ill uncle Brexit

 

[alsoknownas]

The Tories would vilify him, ccause him to leave his position as an MP by whatever underhand methods they could use. His constituwould probably do likewise and he would end up like Michael Portillo or worse.

I reckon he'd do a pretty entertaining job guiding us around the railways of the world. I'd tune in.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, and where else would you get this peice of drama, I mean when his felow UKIP mep punched him, the doctors must they must have checked to see if there was any brain left.
► VIDEO: British MEP denounces 'traitors' for denying terminally ill uncle Brexit

what's particularly good about that is the way yer man says his uncle voted for brexit in 2014

 

[flypanam]

what's particularly good about that is the way yer man says his uncle voted for brexit in 2014

It's wicked to mock the afflicted.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's wicked to mock the afflicted.

and he is afflicted in so many, many ways

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I mean that is the whole Brexit thing, and I'm also loving it - but I want blood now. I want May to fuck off so they can tear themselves limb from limb in a gory Hunger Games-esque competition for Tory leader. It's been great and last night was funny but it's all dragging.

She's going nowhere. No leadership contest is possible for 12 months. The Tories would want a larger poll lead before calling an election, plus there is the fixed term parliament act . Brexit will now be kicked down the road until it can be safely overturned by the remain section of the elites. Plus, and this is the key point, there is no other leader who could hold things together any better than May. In fact a leadership contest would fuel the war.
You'll just have to make do with the slow motion car crash.

 

[Dogsauce]

I reckon there’s a lot of politicians of all stripes who’d be happy for Bercow to be the ‘man who stole brexit’. It’d let a lot of other people of the hook for their ineptitude.

 

[andysays]

Bercow has announced which amendments will be voted on tonight...

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Bercow has announced which amendments will be voted on tonight...

And they are...?

 

[alsoknownas]

Anyone else feel this could still end with a DUP/ERG mass crumble and a MV3 squeeze-thru win for May? If so she will argue (with a certain amount of justification) that her strategy has, in the last, succeeded.

Knighted (or whatever the female equivalent is), anointed Iron Lady mk II, etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

She's going nowhere. No leadership contest is possible for 12 months. The Tories would want a larger poll lead before calling an election, plus there is the fixed term parliament act . Brexit will now be kicked down the road until it can be safely overturned by the remain section of the elites. Plus, and this is the key point, there is no other leader who could hold things together any better than May. In fact a leadership contest would fuel the war.
You'll just have to make do with the slow motion car crash.

tbh the way things are you can't keep kicking things down the road. you can't have a great long extension to article 50 - not because of the european parliament, but because any continuation of this fuckwittery will see more economic uncertainty and decisions made by businesses which will see jobs disappear, whether they're taken overseas or the jobs simply no longer exist. i'm sure these points are being made forcefully to the government from a range of sources. the denoument isn't going to be in six months or a year's time, it's going to have to be within the next 12 weeks and quite possibly before the end of the month. as things stand, and without a change in any of may's red lines, all there is is no deal or no brexit. and i can't see mps opting for no deal.

 

[magneze]

1) Sarah Wollaston’s - calling for an extension to article 50 to allow for time for a referendum on Brexit.

2) Hilary Benn’s - saying next Wednesday should be set aside for a debate that would start the process of allowing MPs to hold indicative votes on Brexit alternatives. There is also an amendment to this amendment, from Labour’s Lucy Powell, changing the timing.

3) Labour’s - saying article 50 should be extended to allow time for MPs to find a majority for a different approach to Brexit.

4) Chris Bryant’s - saying Theresa May should not be allowed to put her deal to the Commons again.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyone else feel this could still end with a DUP/ERG mass crumble and a MV3 squeeze-thru win for May? If so she will argue (with a certain amount of justification) that her strategy has, in the last, succeeded.

Knighted (or whatever the female equivalent is), anointed Iron Lady mk II, etc.

no

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Anyone else feel this could still end with a DUP/ERG mass crumble and a MV3 squeeze-thru win for May? If so she will argue (with a certain amount of justification) that her strategy has, in the last, succeeded.

Knighted (or whatever the female equivalent is), anointed Iron Lady mk II, etc.

No. She hasn't got the hands even if the ERG return to the fold

 

[alsoknownas]

Could that Bryant amendment be counter-productive? If it fails it removes the speakers ability to block a further meaningful vote, doesn't it?

 

[Crispy]

And they are...?

second referendum amendment, the indicative votes amendment and Labour’s amendment (extension to allow time for MPs to achieve a majority), and a little bit of trolling in the form of Chris Bryant's one which reminds the hoouse that the same legislation can't be voted on more than once.

NOT the 110-signature one just upthread

 

[andysays]

And they are...?

Details on the BBC website and in magneze's post

 

[Dillinger4]

Personally I'm loving it. Not the whole Brexit thing because that is infuriating and scary in equal measure, I'm just loving watching the tories tearing each other and themselves to pieces.

Absolutely.

I tend not to admit this for obvious reasons, but I voted for Brexit.

I didn't believe any of the made right wing nonsense by the leave campaign. I despise every one of them, and what they stand for.

I do believe the EU is not democratic (but I also believe that the UK parliament is not democratic).

Honestly, this is along the lines of what I wanted to see. I know it's bad. I wanted to give the political class an impossible task, one that would tear them apart. I wanted to see the Conservative party destroy itself. I wanted to see reform in the Labour party, and also felt that for it to move to the left that we would need to sever some links with the EU, which is after all a neoliberal project.

I agree that it is kind of terrifying. I don't know how this will work out. I hope the chaos of it will open up some possibilities for change. But in the meantime it is very very satisfying to see the Tories exposed as ruthlessly incompetent.

 

[Teaboy]

Anyone else feel this could still end with a DUP/ERG mass crumble and a MV3 squeeze-thru win for May? If so she will argue (with a certain amount of justification) that her strategy has, in the last, succeeded.

Knighted (or whatever the female equivalent is), anointed Iron Lady mk II, etc.

Its an outside possibility but clearly there are some in the ERG who are furious they are being forced to accept a bad deal or no Brexit and their anger at the moment is being focused at May. This scorched earth policy is directed at them now and they might just tell her to fuck off again.

Also, as the vote on the amendment showed last night even with the DUP and ERG behind her she still lost, albeit by a small margin.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Could that Bryant amendment be counter-productive? If it fails it removes the speakers ability to block a further meaningful vote, doesn't it?

No idea. But oh the comedy value if it passes

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Absolutely.

I tend not to admit this for obvious reasons, but I voted for Brexit.

I didn't believe any of the made right wing nonsense by the leave campaign. I despise every one of them, and what they stand for.

I do believe the EU is not democratic (but I also believe that the UK parliament is not democratic).

Honestly, this is along the lines of what I wanted to see. I know it's bad. I wanted to give the political class an impossible task, one that would tear them apart. I wanted to see the Conservative party destroy itself. I wanted to see reform in the Labour party, and also felt that for it to move to the left that we would need to sever some links with the EU, which is after all a neoliberal project.

I agree that it is kind of terrifying. I don't know how this will work out. I hope the chaos of it will open up some possibilities for change. But in the meantime it is very very satisfying to see the Tories exposed as ruthlessly incompetent.

My best mate - to my massive surprise at the time - voted leave. His reason then was nothing more than "it'll be a right laugh seeing what happens". At the time I thought he'd gone mad, now I'm starting to think I should ask him for some lottery numbers.

 

[alsoknownas]

No. She hasn't got the hands even if the ERG return to the fold

Also, as the vote on the amendment showed last night even with the DUP and ERG behind her she still lost, albeit by a small margin.

Hadn't picked up on that. Makes me feel a lot more reassured . She's fucked then. Waverers aren't going to get on board just to lose anyway.

 

[tommers]

Another night's entertainment lined up. Some good ones in there.

 

[tommers]

My best mate - to my massive surprise at the time - voted leave. His reason then was nothing more than "it'll be a right laugh seeing what happens". At the time I thought he'd gone mad, now I'm starting to think I should ask him for some lottery numbers.

My mum voted it for it "to piss Cameron off".

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Delighted to see the HoC parasites are being made to front up a 2nd ref vote. Major overreach by remoan.

 

[Cid]

My best mate - to my massive surprise at the time - voted leave. His reason then was nothing more than "it'll be a right laugh seeing what happens". At the time I thought he'd gone mad, now I'm starting to think I should ask him for some lottery numbers.

Yeah, but it’s run for two seasons now, and the characters are really starting to wear a bit. Plus the plot is becoming pretty ridiculous.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Yeah, but it’s run for two seasons now, and the characters are really starting to wear a bit. Plus the plot is becoming pretty ridiculous.

Time for a reboot then

 

[alsoknownas]

Can't remember the exact thing, but I seem to recall that The Speaker can only enact what he believes to be 'the will of the house' (obviously meaning the majority of it's members) in refusing a bill to be read again. It seems to me that if the Bryant amendment were defeated he would have no grounds to do that.
He's perhaps let himself off the hook there?

 

[Teaboy]

Delighted to see the HoC parasites are being made to front up a 2nd ref vote. Major overreach by remoan.

Its a meaningless amendment put forward by a individual that has only 9 friends in the house. It will get widely ignored by most and it will neither further nor damage the cause for a 2nd ref.

 

[Kaka Tim]

She's going nowhere. No leadership contest is possible for 12 months.

She cant be removed by an official procedure (an MPs vote). But the cabinet can ultimately just tell her to fuck off. I really cant see her lasting much longer - her position is utterly untenable. When she is finally forced to abandon her deal that could be it for her.