BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[gosub]

Depends what his wife tells him to do.

 

[killer b]

If Bercow stops a vote and Brexit gets kicked into the long grass for a couple of years or more then the title of 'the man who stole Brexit' will be hung around his neck. He will be hated across the land.

only by around 52% of the land.

 

[Sprocket.]

Depends what his wife tells him to do.

This extends nationwide, to most households.

 

[gosub]

This extends nationwide, to most households.

Sally Bercow is not that powerful surely

 

[killer b]

only by around 52% of the land.

Actually, not even that - most brexit supporters think May's deal is a waste of time too. Why would they care if the speaker refused to allow another vote on it?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

If Bercow stops a vote and Brexit gets kicked into the long grass for a couple of years... He will be hated across the land.

Oh I dunno, about half the country would probably want to buy him a pint.

 

[Teaboy]

Actually, not even that - most brexit supporters think May's deal is a waste of time too. Why would they care if the speaker refused to allow another vote on it?

The vox popping of people in the street is all about 'we voted, just get on with it'. You hear it time and time again. People don't care about Malthouse Compromises and Spelman Amendments. It really is as simple as that and when the right wing pro Brexit press go to work it will be dead simple to just personify the failure of Brexit onto one person.

 

[killer b]

But while the man on the street wants them to just get on with it, they also don't want May's deal. The right wing press have been stanning for it for months and they don't want it.

 

[killer b]

Vox Pops are bullshit btw. Might as well pay attention to the people BTL on telegraph articles.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Vox Pops are bullshit btw. Might as well pay attention to the people BTL on telegraph articles.

Yep. The normal schtick is to go somewhere that voted heavily to leave and find someone there who voted leave. Haven't heard too many vox pops coming from Lambeth or Hackney.

 

[Teaboy]

But while the man on the street wants them to just get on with it, they also don't want May's deal. The right wing press have been stanning for it for months and they don't want it.

The Telegraph and Times for sure but the Mail and Sun certainly seem to have fallen in line.

Vox Pops are bullshit btw. Might as well pay attention to the people BTL on telegraph articles.

Fair enough. I just get the impression that a lot of people don't know and don't care what May's deal is and just want Brexit. As you say though, vox popping is a bit crap. If they were to vox pop round my way they'd be interviewing the kind of oddball that hangs around outside Parliament wearing a EU flag suit.

 

[Sprocket.]

Sadly if you did a vox pop around here, some would say they voted leave to stop Asians coming here!

 

[killer b]

The Telegraph and Times for sure but the Mail and Sun certainly seem to have fallen in line.



Fair enough. I just get the impression that a lot of people don't know and don't care what May's deal is and just want Brexit. As you say though, vox popping is a bit crap. If they were to vox pop round my way they'd be interviewing the kind of oddball that hangs around outside Parliament wearing a EU flag suit.

currently on 22% support, and has been basically bumping along at that for months Deal, no deal or delay: what the public thinks | YouGov

 

[Cid]

If Bercow stops a vote and Brexit gets kicked into the long grass for a couple of years or more then the title of 'the man who stole Brexit' will be hung around his neck. He will be hated across the land. I wouldn't do it if I was him.

Not in any lasting way.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not in any lasting way.

i understand that one nicholas clegg still finds himself hissed if he strays within half a mile of a college or university

 

[Pickman's model]

Sadly if you did a vox pop around here, some would say they voted leave to stop Asians coming here!

yeh that really worked

 

[Sprocket.]

yeh that really worked

Nothing like blind prejudice and xenophobia to keep the workers misdirected.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

4 more years? Fucking hell.

All I can say is that I'm glad this lot aren't running the country.

 

[chilango]

The vox popping of people in the street is all about 'we voted, just get on with it'. You hear it time and time again. People don't care about Malthouse Compromises and Spelman Amendments. It really is as simple as that and when the right wing pro Brexit press go to work it will be dead simple to just personify the failure of Brexit onto one person.

Bercow would be well looked after if he sank Brexit.

 

[ska invita]

Bercow aside, if it werent for Gina Miller's case Mays deal would be going through to the next stage right now (in theory)...I imagine her death threats have slowed down now.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Actually, not even that - most brexit supporters think May's deal is a waste of time too. Why would they care if the speaker refused to allow another vote on it?

Yeah I reckon Bercow could get away with it without any comeback. This is a deal Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Farage have all slated and the hard Brexiters have voted against. What would the line of attack be? "You ruined Brexit by not allowing a 3rd vote on something nobody wants"?

 

[andysays]

And presumably that'd mean Euro elections in May.

A four year extension would mean we'd definitely have another GE before we left...

 

[Teaboy]

Yeah I reckon Bercow could get away with it without any comeback. This is a deal Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Farage have all slated and the hard Brexiters have voted against. What would the line of attack be? "You ruined Brexit by not allowing a 3rd vote on something nobody wants"?

Sun front page 'Most hated man in UK'? Maybe Mail front page headline as 'The man who stole YOUR Brexit'?

I don't think he'd lose his Club privileges or anything but he would be an easier target for vilification outside of Westminster.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

A four year extension would mean we'd definitely have another GE before we left...

If that GE resulted in yet another hung parliament I think I'd die laughing

 

[SpackleFrog]

Sun front page 'Most hated man in UK'? Maybe Mail front page headline as 'The man who stole your Brexit'?

I don't think he'd lose his Club privileges or anything but he would be an easier target for vilification outside of Westminster.

I think a lot of people have worn themselves out chasing Soubry et al around and we are now close to the point where the public have been largely bored into submission. Even a lot of avid 'political' types I know point blank refuse to talk about it or even follow it.

Was watching Liverpool in the pub last night, trying to describe the scale of the madness to a couple of 'political' mates and they didn't know what was happening or want to know.

 

[SpackleFrog]

If that GE resulted in yet another hung parliament I think I'd die laughing

Better be a bit careful then cos it's odds on with some bookies: Next UK General Election Overall Majority | Politics

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Sun front page 'Most hated man in UK'? Maybe Mail front page headline as 'The man who stole your Brexit'?

I don't think he'd lose his Club privileges or anything but he would be an easier target for vilification outside of Westminster.

If I did something that got me 'most hated man in UK' in the Sun but not elsewhere (as in I didn't kill a bunch of people), that would probably mean I'd done something worthwhile.

 

[Teaboy]

I think a lot of people have worn themselves out chasing Soubry et al around and we are now close to the point where the public have been largely bored into submission. Even a lot of avid 'political' types I know point blank refuse to talk about it or even follow it.

Was watching Liverpool in the pub last night, trying to describe the scale of the madness to a couple of 'political' mates and they didn't know what was happening or want to know.

Personally I'm loving it. Not the whole Brexit thing because that is infuriating and scary in equal measure, I'm just loving watching the tories tearing each other and themselves to pieces.

 

[Sprocket.]

Personally I'm loving it. Not the whole Brexit thing because that is infuriating and scary in equal measure, I'm just loving watching the tories tearing each other and themselves to pieces.

In full view too!

 

[SpackleFrog]

Personally I'm loving it. Not the whole Brexit thing because that is infuriating and scary in equal measure, I'm just loving watching the tories tearing each other and themselves to pieces.

I mean that is the whole Brexit thing, and I'm also loving it - but I want blood now. I want May to fuck off so they can tear themselves limb from limb in a gory Hunger Games-esque competition for Tory leader. It's been great and last night was funny but it's all dragging.